NHTSA Update on CR HPFP failure investigation

[tditom]

Originally Posted by scdevon

You don't know German car companies very well, do you? VW will NEVER proactively replace the questionable pumps. At best, they will assist people if and when their pump fails. ...

This has nothing to do with it being a German company. Show me any company that will proactively replace systems on all vehicles when the repair is in the $thousands and I will show you a company that is out of business!
If there had been deaths/serious injuries caused by the failure, then it would be a different matter.

[Second Turbo]

kjclow: > Could be a huge difference in the life and resale of the car.

A matched pair of historical advantages to TDI was extended value:
a. you could run one forever, or
b. you could recover a lot of the investment due to high resale value

IF VW doesn't take care of the post-warranty CR customers re: HPFP, resale values are going to tank, as it becomes widely understood that these things can suffer total economic self destruction with no notice. Think: Chevy Vega

I'm at 252,000 miles on the PD, original drive train (but the infamous auto transmission needs work). I have no confidence that if I replace this car with a CR that:
a. it will make it to 250K without an HPFP implosion, or
b. it will have a reasonable resale value if sold sooner

CR resale values are holding for the time being, but unless VW comes up with a satisfactory resolution to the HPFP problem, they are not going to stay up.
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The current plan is to get a reman tran for the PD.

[kjclow]

Originally Posted by Second Turbo

IF VW doesn't take care of the post-warranty CR customers re: HPFP, resale values are going to tank, as it becomes widely understood that these things can suffer total economic self destruction with no notice. Think: Chevy Vega

CR resale values are holding for the time being, but unless VW comes up with a satisfactory resolution to the HPFP problem, they are not going to stay up.

The above secnarios are enirely dependent on how widely publicized the failures are. At a current failure rate of less than 1%, it is hard to imagine that would tank the resale of the whole line. Especially if the failures are related to a specific lot or time frame of manufacturing of the HPFP.

[MPBsr]

Originally Posted by kjclow

Costs of rebuilding the engine of $6000 - $8000 (based on numbers posted within this thread) for 1% of the diesels sold vs (WAG) $500 for a new/redesigned HPFP for the remaining 99%. At 100,000 vehicles, that would equate to a cost of $6 million versus roughly $50 million. I know which one the accountants would pick.

...and that's the reason why you'll never see a recall.

[scdevon]

Originally Posted by tditom

If there had been deaths/serious injuries caused by the failure, then it would be a different matter.

A HPFP failure is dangerous to your wallet, but that's about it. People are blowing the "it's dangerous" argument way out of proportion.

If a .50 cent sun visor retaining clip failed on their VW, they'd pull the "it's dangerous" argument, too.
You know.................because the sun visor clip could "suddenly fail" and distract them while they're driving and "blind them".

[CT2010TDI]

Wherever I see a CR TDI, I either talk to the owner, or slip a card under their wiper blade that says: "Google 'HPFP VW TDI'"

Some people will check it out some will not.

Most people I see at the gas pump have never heard of the issue.

Awareness will help everyone.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by CT2010TDI

Wherever I see a CR TDI, I either talk to the owner, or slip a card under their wiper blade that says: "Google 'HPFP VW TDI'"

Some people will check it out some will not.

Most people I see at the gas pump have never heard of the issue.

Awareness will help everyone.

I know I'm going to ruffle some feathers here but this is effing crazy.
Knowing about it if you approached me with this line I'd suggest you getting a plastic bubble to travel in.

[Softrockrenegade]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[tdipoet]

i don't want a 100k warranty on the damned thing. if i can't expect it to last for 250k, i'm not happy. i don't need the thing to never fail, but i do need to protected from the fallout. tell you what vw, i'll buy the pump - you can pay for any additional damage the failure causes, k?

[Thunderstruck]

Originally Posted by scdevon

If a .50 cent sun visor retaining clip failed

NHTSA needs to launch an investigation immediately, and force VW to replace all the visors and give everyone a 100K mile warranty on their visors. I'm going to slip a card under every VW's wiper blade that says "google sun visor VW"

[DasTeknoViking]

^^^ LOL awesome. They most likely will just extend the warranty for XXXXXX miles, like they did on a ton of stuff:
Cam follower, Diverter valves, intake manifolds, Mechatronix units etc on MKV GTi.

I have a VW tech for a friend, and another one as my close cousin.... both know about the HPFP issue and both work at large VW dealers and both have seen 1-2 failures in the last 2 years. With the amount of people buying these cars I wouldn't worry much about it. Its not as wide spread as cam follower issues on FSi motors, hell even piston rings being bad on FSi are more common than TDi HPFP failure.

[IFRCFI]

Originally Posted by CT2010TDI

Wherever I see a CR TDI, I either talk to the owner, or slip a card under their wiper blade that says: "Google 'HPFP VW TDI'"

This is a joke, right?



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[Sharp_Cheddar]

Originally Posted by MPBsr

...and that's the reason why you'll never see a recall.

I'm always reminded of Ed Norton's character's (aka Tyler Durden's) day job in Fight Club when I hear about situations like this.

[DogParkGuy]

As I mentioned before, the HPFP failure may be big news here, but there is no mention of it in the auto press or Consumers Reports. Unless that happens (think 1972 Ford Pinto) there will be no affect on prices.

[Engineers<3Diesel]

I think the fact that VW has yet to have data show up on the NHTSA board is starting to affect some folks. I mean putting cards on people's windshields to scare them? I think we just need to sit back, grab a beer and wait for what VW has to say. Getting folks spun up without seeing more data around the failures does nothing.