NHTSA Update on CR HPFP failure investigation

[no-blue-screen]

Originally Posted by GoFaster

I'm POINTING OUT that it is illegal. It is a sidetrack, because this whole discussion is not even remotely close to being about the main topic of discussion in this thread. Let's return to that topic, please. If someone finds out something new ... post up. Let's cut off the discussion about P-D's and ALH's and engine retrofits and all such matters - they don't belong in this thread.

Sidetrack is putting it lightly. I completely agree. It is hijacking this thread, causes clutter and confusion, and is illegal.

[Niner]

Originally Posted by JSWTDI09

As far as we know, the best answer is "not yet". These have only been on the market for a short while, so it is probably too soon to pass judgement one way or the other. We shall see what happens in the next year or so.

Have Fun!

Don

I think by December 2012, we might know more, or have a few samples. If summer heat is an issue, I'd look for some failures to start showing up in September, and if conversion to winter grade dry fuel is an issue, then we should start seeing some failures in October and November, if history is going to repeat itself. These tdi passats are not being made in the numbers the jetta, and sportswagen were in 2009, so the sample size will be a lot smaller, me thinks. I believe VW made almost 50,000 TDI's for the US market in 2009.

[CedarPark68]

The links to the document repository (NHTSA) are no longer working, at least the ones I saved from back in October.

Has anyone seen any updates regarding the December 2011 due response from VW?

[Plus 3 Golfer]

Originally Posted by CedarPark68

The links to the document repository (NHTSA) are no longer working, at least the ones I saved from back in October.

Has anyone seen any updates regarding the December 2011 due response from VW?

I see all 13 old documents. There are no new documents listed.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...03&docType=INV

Go to safecar.gov under Vehicle Owners, Defect Investigations enter EA1003 under NHTSA Action Number quick search. The summary should come up and the link to the documents is at the bottom of the page.

[CedarPark68]

Originally Posted by Plus 3 Golfer

I see all 13 old documents. There are no new documents listed.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...03&docType=INV

Go to safecar.gov under Vehicle Owners, Defect Investigations enter EA1003 under NHTSA Action Number quick search. The summary should come up and the link to the documents is at the bottom of the page.

Thanks! I had some links saved that didn't work and I went back to the October posts and many of those links didn't work either ( 404 s ).

[Niner]

Originally Posted by Plus 3 Golfer

I see all 13 old documents. There are no new documents listed.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...03&docType=INV

Go to safecar.gov under Vehicle Owners, Defect Investigations enter EA1003 under NHTSA Action Number quick search. The summary should come up and the link to the documents is at the bottom of the page.

EA11-003 was what worked for me.

[madmako]

"Are you old enough to remember the Audi 5000 of the mid- eighties? Thousands had failures of many systems such as transmission, A/C, engine. Many drivers consider Audi to be well-engineered cars."

I seem to remember the trade and consumer media hammering Audi resulting in very poor sales for a few years. And, after all that, they're still here and so will VW. Even if TDI HPFP failures reach 5%, for example, the VW actuaries will determine the best cost/benefit model which will allow them to ultimately prevail.

If, when it's all said and done, the consumer just happens to benefit, so much the better for the VW PR department.

[RabbitGTI]

I remember the Audi 5000. That was a good car that Andy Rooney killed with his hysterical unintended acceleration hatchet job. The POS that fell apart was the early Audi 100 models.

[NateTDI]

Originally Posted by RabbitGTI

I remember the Audi 5000. That was a good car that Andy Rooney killed with his hysterical unintended acceleration hatchet job. The POS that fell apart was the early Audi 100 models.

It was Ed Bradley not andy Rooney

[danix]

Originally Posted by madmako

I seem to remember the trade and consumer media hammering Audi resulting in very poor sales for a few years. And, after all that, they're still here and so will VW. Even if TDI HPFP failures reach 5%, for example, the VW actuaries will determine the best cost/benefit model which will allow them to ultimately prevail.

If, when it's all said and done, the consumer just happens to benefit, so much the better for the VW PR department.

Hate to tell you, but values on CR engined TDIs are dropping much more quickly than normal. I strongly suspect a connection to the fuel issue.

[timwagon]

Originally Posted by danix

Hate to tell you, but values on CR engined TDIs are dropping much more quickly than normal. I strongly suspect a connection to the fuel issue.

JSW resale values are very strong.

KBB estimates a 2009 JSW, no options, in very good to to excellent condition with 50k miles to have a private party resale value of around $19,600.

That's depreciation of about 22% on a 3 year old car. Average deprecitation on a 3 year old car is about 45%.

There are also many posts on these forums by potential buyers lamenting the high prices of used JSWs.

[Niner]

Originally Posted by timwagon

JSW resale values are very strong.

KBB estimates a 2009 JSW, no options, in very good to to excellent condition with 50k miles to have a private party resale value of around $19,600.

That's depreciation of about 22% on a 3 year old car. Average deprecitation on a 3 year old car is about 45%.

There are also many posts on these forums by potential buyers lamenting the high prices of used JSWs.

No, that's just an indication of a lot of small business owners being cheap with wanting to buy used cars and wanting a car to depreciate in someone else's garage, not on their watch. Blow a turbo, a fuel system, or a DPF exhaust system on one of these, as they get older, and the resale prices are going to drop like a stone due to the projected repair costs, rightfully so.

[timwagon]

Originally Posted by Niner

No, that's just an indication of a lot of small business owners being cheap with wanting to buy used cars and wanting a car to depreciate in someone else's garage, not on their watch. Blow a turbo, a fuel system, or a DPF exhaust system on one of these, as they get older, and the resale prices are going to drop like a stone due to the projected repair costs, rightfully so.

Huh?

So the value is not dropping, but will soon start to drop? I'm having a hard time following your posts on this one... All evidence I see is the resale values on TDI models is very strong, much higher than average.

Will these cars start to fall apart and we'll see their values suddenly sink?

I guess it could happen, but it's not happening now.

[kjclow]

According to kelly blue book, my 2010 JSW with 30K miles is about equal to what I paid for it. I know, it's like everything else I own. It is truely only worth what someone else is willing to pay me for it and since I am not willing to sell it, the listed value doesn't matter.

[danix]

Originally Posted by timwagon

Huh?

So the value is not dropping, but will soon start to drop? I'm having a hard time following your posts on this one... All evidence I see is the resale values on TDI models is very strong, much higher than average.

Will these cars start to fall apart and we'll see their values suddenly sink?

I guess it could happen, but it's not happening now.

Sorry, but it is happening. KBB is an average value and means nothing in the real world.

Drive your car to the dealer and ask what you can get for it in trade - that's the value. Private parties will pay more, but not a lot of people have the cash on hand, and it's a lot easier to finance a new car.