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Old January 2nd, 2012, 20:43   #2281
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I see all 13 old documents. There are no new documents listed.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...03&docType=INV

Go to safecar.gov under Vehicle Owners, Defect Investigations enter EA1003 under NHTSA Action Number quick search. The summary should come up and the link to the documents is at the bottom of the page.
EA11-003 was what worked for me.
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 13:03   #2282
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"Are you old enough to remember the Audi 5000 of the mid- eighties? Thousands had failures of many systems such as transmission, A/C, engine. Many drivers consider Audi to be well-engineered cars."

I seem to remember the trade and consumer media hammering Audi resulting in very poor sales for a few years. And, after all that, they're still here and so will VW. Even if TDI HPFP failures reach 5%, for example, the VW actuaries will determine the best cost/benefit model which will allow them to ultimately prevail.

If, when it's all said and done, the consumer just happens to benefit, so much the better for the VW PR department.
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 13:19   #2283
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I remember the Audi 5000. That was a good car that Andy Rooney killed with his hysterical unintended acceleration hatchet job. The POS that fell apart was the early Audi 100 models.
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 16:38   #2284
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I remember the Audi 5000. That was a good car that Andy Rooney killed with his hysterical unintended acceleration hatchet job. The POS that fell apart was the early Audi 100 models.
It was Ed Bradley not andy Rooney
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 16:50   #2285
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I seem to remember the trade and consumer media hammering Audi resulting in very poor sales for a few years. And, after all that, they're still here and so will VW. Even if TDI HPFP failures reach 5%, for example, the VW actuaries will determine the best cost/benefit model which will allow them to ultimately prevail.

If, when it's all said and done, the consumer just happens to benefit, so much the better for the VW PR department.
Hate to tell you, but values on CR engined TDIs are dropping much more quickly than normal. I strongly suspect a connection to the fuel issue.
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 19:42   #2286
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Hate to tell you, but values on CR engined TDIs are dropping much more quickly than normal. I strongly suspect a connection to the fuel issue.
JSW resale values are very strong.

KBB estimates a 2009 JSW, no options, in very good to to excellent condition with 50k miles to have a private party resale value of around $19,600.

That's depreciation of about 22% on a 3 year old car. Average deprecitation on a 3 year old car is about 45%.

There are also many posts on these forums by potential buyers lamenting the high prices of used JSWs.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 08:48   #2287
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JSW resale values are very strong.

KBB estimates a 2009 JSW, no options, in very good to to excellent condition with 50k miles to have a private party resale value of around $19,600.

That's depreciation of about 22% on a 3 year old car. Average deprecitation on a 3 year old car is about 45%.

There are also many posts on these forums by potential buyers lamenting the high prices of used JSWs.
No, that's just an indication of a lot of small business owners being cheap with wanting to buy used cars and wanting a car to depreciate in someone else's garage, not on their watch. Blow a turbo, a fuel system, or a DPF exhaust system on one of these, as they get older, and the resale prices are going to drop like a stone due to the projected repair costs, rightfully so.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 10:44   #2288
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No, that's just an indication of a lot of small business owners being cheap with wanting to buy used cars and wanting a car to depreciate in someone else's garage, not on their watch. Blow a turbo, a fuel system, or a DPF exhaust system on one of these, as they get older, and the resale prices are going to drop like a stone due to the projected repair costs, rightfully so.
Huh?

So the value is not dropping, but will soon start to drop? I'm having a hard time following your posts on this one... All evidence I see is the resale values on TDI models is very strong, much higher than average.

Will these cars start to fall apart and we'll see their values suddenly sink?

I guess it could happen, but it's not happening now.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 10:50   #2289
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According to kelly blue book, my 2010 JSW with 30K miles is about equal to what I paid for it. I know, it's like everything else I own. It is truely only worth what someone else is willing to pay me for it and since I am not willing to sell it, the listed value doesn't matter.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 10:51   #2290
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Huh?

So the value is not dropping, but will soon start to drop? I'm having a hard time following your posts on this one... All evidence I see is the resale values on TDI models is very strong, much higher than average.

Will these cars start to fall apart and we'll see their values suddenly sink?

I guess it could happen, but it's not happening now.
Sorry, but it is happening. KBB is an average value and means nothing in the real world.

Drive your car to the dealer and ask what you can get for it in trade - that's the value. Private parties will pay more, but not a lot of people have the cash on hand, and it's a lot easier to finance a new car.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 11:45   #2291
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Sorry, but it is happening. KBB is an average value and means nothing in the real world.

Drive your car to the dealer and ask what you can get for it in trade - that's the value. Private parties will pay more, but not a lot of people have the cash on hand, and it's a lot easier to finance a new car.
I've had just as "easy" of a time financing a used car as a new one so not sure why you think a PP needs cash on hand.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 11:49   #2292
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Used car loans are made according to financing limits set by the bank/finance company. You can't walk in and get a $25000 loan on a car they are only willing to loan $20k for.
Also, the interest rate on used car loans is typically much higher than on new cars.
Perhaps we should start a different thread on "CR TDI resale values", as these comments are unrelated to the NHTSA investigation.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 12:44   #2293
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I know I was going to get 22k on a 2011 JSW 6 spd w/Pano, No Nav and 25k miles.
And this was with the notion of me buying a new 2012 TDI with NO discount.

My initial offer was I'll write a check for 2k and buy the new TDI at list, you buy out my current TDI. They said NO.
( I have 2k that would come back to me in the Extended Warranty.... so for me a loss, but not out of my immediate pocket as I've already paid )



Take this info and decide for yourself if prices are falling or not.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 13:39   #2294
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Used car loans are made according to financing limits set by the bank/finance company. You can't walk in and get a $25000 loan on a car they are only willing to loan $20k for.
Also, the interest rate on used car loans is typically much higher than on new cars.
Perhaps we should start a different thread on "CR TDI resale values", as these comments are unrelated to the NHTSA investigation.
Used car loan rates aren't much higher than new car rates. Check PENFED and other car loan sites. Spread is often 1%, or even less.

Also, I've sold many cars to private parties, and gotten top dollar. A dealer trade value is only worthwhile if the dealer offer plus sales tax savings comes close to the private party value.

Feel free to start another thread on this topic - it's your post that initiated this unrelated side discussion.
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Most dealers are using Galves to determine trade-in values.
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