6 months later and still stalling car!

[geektoad]

How are you guys stalling while stopping?

Are you engine braking all the way down to a stop? If so, why? Why engine brake at all when coming to a complete stop? Brakes are are cheaper and easier to replace than your clutch is.

[LandCruiser]

Originally Posted by sportriderseattle

Education Time Everyone

This is a Huge safety issue because:

1. This car, unlike nearly any other manual transmission car is much easier to stall because of its design. I have driven Saleen Mustangs and Porsches amongst countless other manual transmission cars and this car is by far easier to stall than all other cars I personally have driven.

2. Now that you have stalled your VW, you must detect that you have stalled it, then go through the process to get moving again. Standard reaction time alone ranges between 1.5 to 2.5 seconds.

3. Next, after you have become aware of what has happened, you then take action by pushing back in the clutch, turn the ignition counterclockwise to turn off the ignition, then recycle the ignition the opposite way to restart the ignition. (Probably ranging in another 2.5 to 3 or so seconds.)

4. Vehicles travel approximately 37 feet every second at just 25 mph, 66 feet every second at 45 mph and 96 feet every second if you were going 65 mph!

What this all comes down to is when your VW stalls while entering traffic such as pulling out from your driveway where the speed limit might be 45 mph, or you pull out from an intersection where the intersecting road speed limit is 65 mph and those cars are coming at you at the distances each second as outlined above, TIME IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE, which greatly increases your risk of being impacted by another vehicle.

Therefore, when you stall your car while pulling out onto an intersecting street that has a speed limit of 65 mph, you'd better hope that the car coming at you is greater than 382 feet away or he will not have time to react and avoid colliding with you.

To put that into perspective, a football field (USA) is 360 feet in length.

I am impressed by your mathematical skills. Tell me more. Puts on sunglasses.

Originally Posted by sportriderseattle

Just goes to show how stupid some people truly are.... THEY JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS, MAKE ASSUMPTIONS & BLURT OUT IN ANGER. The funny thing is I just caught both you idiots. No where in my posts did I say that I was stalling my car, in fact I have not stalled my car in so long, probably like any other person learning a new car...but you idiots assumed I was complaining about the car because you ASSUMED that I couldn't drive the car. I guess your education or your parents forgot to teach you something. (See above bold type)

I've also learned that TDI owners more than any other VW owner are arrogant pricks. This is the only VW forum where I see people outright bashing other members.

This one is just cute and reminds me of you.

[Derrel H Green]

Many wonder why the DSGs outsell the manual six-speeds.

Just read all five pages of this topic, and you've got your answer.

Not once, in almost 12K miles has my JSW with DSG stalled. Not even one time!

Talked to a Arco fuel delivery driver the other day, and guess what?
He told me that his beautiful new gasoline/fuel delivery tractor trailer rig had an automatic transmission.
He said it had no clutch pedal and that the gears were shifted electrically and that the
clutch engaged automatically. I said in other words, you're got a DSG. He agreed.

So it would seem that the trucking industry is catching on also.
Welcome to the twenty first century.



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[geektoad]

Originally Posted by Derrel H Green

Many wonder why the DSGs outsell the manual six-speeds.

Just read all five pages of this topic, and you've got your answer.

Not once, in almost 12K miles has my JSW with DSG stalled. Not even one time!

Talked to a Arco fuel delivery driver the other day, and guess what?
He told me that his beautiful new gasoline/fuel delivery tractor trailer rig had an automatic transmission.
He said it had no clutch pedal and that the gears were shifted electrically and that the
clutch engaged automatically. I said in other words, you're got a DSG. He agreed.

So it would seem that the trucking industry is catching on also.
Welcome to the twenty first century.



D

I agree. its amazing how there are no threads on this forum about issues with DSGs lagging or not shifting right, or having to go to the dealer and be reset, or having their warranties extended due to manufacturing issues. And the money saved on initial purchase and ongoing maintenance is pretty great too.

[LandCruiser]

Originally Posted by geektoad

I agree. its amazing how there are no threads on this forum about issues with DSGs lagging or not shifting right, or having to go to the dealer and be reset, or having their warranties extended due to manufacturing issues. And the money saved on initial purchase and ongoing maintenance is pretty great too.

They are so superior that they run only on magical $$$ fluid only available from VW.

[IFRCFI]

Originally Posted by Derrel H Green

Many wonder why the DSGs outsell the manual six-speeds.

Heresy...the 6M is perfect...haven't you heard?

1 negative 6M thread for 1000 negative DSG threads sounds about right..

[kimber01]

I only learned how to drive a manual in August of last year, and started regularly driving one in January when I got my TDI. I LOVE my TDI and find it is the hardest of them to stall....she actually pulls herself along out of a stop by just letting off the clutch.

I do find that when I do stall her (which usually happens when I'm rushing or not paying attention) it's being in 2nd when I either needed to be going faster or slowed down more and gone into 1st.

I find when I get in my roommates boyfriend's car (2001 Jetta - gas) or parent's car (2009 Honda Fit) I tend to ride the clutch going when moving off from a stop. Not to mention that the Fit feels like driving a sewing machine :P

I find the best part of when I do stall being that I usually keep my forward motion and restart before anyone would even realize I stalled, lol

[steelmb]

Originally Posted by kimber01

I only learned how to drive a manual in August of last year, and started regularly driving one in January when I got my TDI. I LOVE my TDI and find it is the hardest of them to stall....she actually pulls herself along out of a stop by just letting off the clutch.

I do find that when I do stall her (which usually happens when I'm rushing or not paying attention) it's being in 2nd when I either needed to be going faster or slowed down more and gone into 1st.

I find when I get in my roommates boyfriend's car (2001 Jetta - gas) or parent's car (2009 Honda Fit) I tend to ride the clutch going when moving off from a stop. Not to mention that the Fit feels like driving a sewing machine :P

I find the best part of when I do stall being that I usually keep my forward motion and restart before anyone would even realize I stalled, lol

I believe there is a difference between the new 09s and 10s compared to our ALH engines. I too usually do not use the accelerator to launch my 03 unless on soft ground or headed up hill. I've stalled it twice in a row on soft uphill ground at my buddies place. I certainly did not blame the car. It is the only vehicle I have owned that does not need accelerator input to launch it. The guys with the 09s and 10s need to drive them more like a gasser and ensure the revs are kept high enough when launching. It is all about getting used to the machinery and handling it accordingly. Next one of these brain surgeons is gonna complain the engine is too quiet to hear what it is doing when launching.

[SRPumpelly]

I just got a 2010 JSW with the stick and I have noticed that this car is quite different than anything I have ever driven, and trust me when I say I have driven everything.

The salesperson stalled when he drove it to the front door for me to take delivery of and I stalled several times in the first week I have had it. I wouldn't call it a safety hazard. If you are new to any car I would recommend adjusting you driving style accordingly until you feel comfortable, but yes, this one is tough.

The biggest thing I think I am getting used to is the delay in the revs coming up when I hit the throttle. I don't know if it has a really heavy flywheel or internal rotating mass (don't think so, more later) or if there is something about the fuel delivery but compared to most other cars you need to really get on the gas pedal at idle and even then there is a delay before the revs come up. With old habits from other cars I find myself not getting the revs I need.

Second, I need to use more clutch slip and higher revs than I would like. I hate to grind on any clutch but this car seems to need a little bit of it to get to where it is happy. This is why I think the rotating mass and flywheel combo is actually quite light. It needs to really get spinning to stay spinning.

Finally I feel this engine won't chug along like some others should you drag the revs down too far. This thing like to stall out at 700 RPM if there is any load on it. Most other cars can get lower and still cough up a take off. Might not be pretty but it won't stall.

Anything on top of these things like a hill or turning while doing this makes it even tougher.

I find those three factors make this car one that takes some time to get used to. The throttle delay makes rev matching on the downshifts tedious as well but I know it is something I'll get used too. I just hope the clutch survives all the slip it needs. My 2005 S4 I just sold had 135K miles with the original clutch. I worry this one won't make it half of that.

[dpg]

when I first got the car and people came along for rides it took them about 15-20 min to realize that I was driving a manual. Driving this car smoothly is possible. do i still stall once in a while, sure. most recently was when i was backing out of a parking spot and i was talking to some passengers and was just NOT paying attention. was just distracted

[DEM]

Originally Posted by mysql

There's nothing wrong with the clutch or transmission. The issue is that the cut off for the engine rpm is rather high. You are also not given a chance to "save" it from being cut off. It's abrupt and can be worrisome.

I agree with this.

Me/my car combination is getting better at it (6000 km). I think it is simply different than a typical gas car and requires getting used to.

[DEM]

Originally Posted by sportwagen rick

Someone already mentioned this, and I'll repeat it because I agree; there's no stumble and recover with this motor/clutch. If you make a small mistake, even one you think you've caught before you completely make it, the car is already off.

Yep, true

[Arne in Oregon]

The HPFP is engine driven - if the RPMs drop too low the engine dies. Don't know what the minimum RPM is but that is probably why you can't catch it once it starts to stall.

[CDubber]

Originally Posted by sportwagen rick

Someone already mentioned this, and I'll repeat it because I agree; there's no stumble and recover with this motor/clutch. If you make a small mistake, even one you think you've caught before you completely make it, the car is already off.

Originally Posted by MPBsr

...and the engine slams like it seized up.

Agreed. This thing is just merciless.

I'm not stalling as much now (car is 3 weeks old), but I've probably already stalled this car more than I did in all 5 years with my previous car (Cooper S) and in 10 years with the car before that (Miata). This tranny could make Michael Schumacher feel like a noob.

[Ski in NC]

This stalling thing is probably related to the emissions system. Older diesels fuel heavy when lugging to prevent a stall, and probably puke a little smoke. So the clean diesels probably are programmed to avoid smoke by simply shutting down.

Once these things get out of warranty the tuners will fix that...and other things!!