New Passat TDI confirmed for U.S. - Page 78

atc98002 · August 18th, 2011, 16:14

wxman, always glad to see your straightforward, informative (and factual, document supported) posts. Too bad the people on Autoblog/AutoblogGreen won't pay attention to you.

abctdi · August 18th, 2011, 16:15

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Originally Posted by oxford_guy

Definitely.

Now at home I see why my work site did not let me see it, you sarcastic xxx

There is a big difference between what that picture shows and what is reasonable.
I maintain that EGR adds more smoke and particles vs. non-egr. That's why the newest tdi's catch that stuff, and then regen/waste fuel to get rid of it.
Thank you EPA.

wxman · August 18th, 2011, 16:56

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Originally Posted by atc98002

wxman, always glad to see your straightforward, informative (and factual, document supported) posts. Too bad the people on Autoblog/AutoblogGreen won't pay attention to you.

act...thanks, and thanks for your support on that site. I've sort of given up, because no matter how many times I refute the comments of the EV weenies on there, the same comments wind up in another blog post about diesels by the same commenters! I noticed the commenter who claimed he was an expert in emissions never responded to my follow-up posts. (Anyone can claim to be anything they want on the internet. That's why I don't bother explaining I've worked in air quality since March 1985, even though I really have; I just support my position with actual published data.)

I think they perceive diesels as threats to their EV-only utopia, and use the usual "there's no such thing as clean diesel" or "clean diesel is an oxymoron" nonsense to try to shame people into not buying any type of diesel vehicles because they pollute *their* air, as if gasoline vehicles, FCV or EVs don't.

Oh and wolfskin, thanks for your kind comment!

El Dobro · August 18th, 2011, 17:36

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Originally Posted by wxman

act...thanks, and thanks for your support on that site. I've sort of given up, because no matter how many times I refute the comments of the EV weenies on there, the same comments wind up in another blog post about diesels by the same commenters! I noticed the commenter who claimed he was an expert in emissions never responded to my follow-up posts. (Anyone can claim to be anything they want on the internet. That's why I don't bother explaining I've worked in air quality since March 1985, even though I really have; I just support my position with actual published data.)

I think they perceive diesels as threats to their EV-only utopia, and use the usual "there's no such thing as clean diesel" or "clean diesel is an oxymoron" nonsense to try to shame people into not buying any type of diesel vehicles because they pollute *their* air, as if gasoline vehicles, FCV or EVs don't.

Oh and wolfskin, thanks for your kind comment!

I guess that's why you joined PriusChat, too.

TDIMeister · August 18th, 2011, 17:42

I think the solution to the weekend ozone effect is not so much more NOx but (drastically) less VOCs, HC and CO. Otherwise the EPA can let coal/oil/gas powerplants near urban areas simply turn down- or off their NOx scrubbers during weekends. Problem solved.

1998993C2S · August 18th, 2011, 18:01

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Originally Posted by BeetleGo

Remind me what this has to do with the 2012 Passat?

The local VW dealership had a few of the new 2012 Passat TDI's on display and the Saturday morning air seemed right to kick a few tires. One TDI was black w/beige interior and the second was silver w/black interior. The Monroney label MSRP $ range for both cars was $32k or so.

The styling of this Passat is B-O-R-I-N-G,,,, and I'm being generous here.
Okay,,, cars aren't the best place to show off a designer’s aesthetic chops. The MY12 Passat brand signature is just plain sophomoric, stupid even and by that I mean the cars look appears to be dumb’d down simple.
The interior is just OK in both the material choices and styling. VW had for awhile been following Audi's direction. Its like the current 2012 VW product lineup is scattered. A mix of High quality vehicles and then low/moderate quaility ones.

I will not be shopping a North American VW store any time soon. The product de-contenting direction NA VW has taken (since MY06) comes to fruition. Adios, Auf Wiedersehen, Volkswagen. I'm just saying...

wxman · August 18th, 2011, 19:15

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Originally Posted by TDIMeister

I think the solution to the weekend ozone effect is not so much more NOx but (drastically) less VOCs, HC and CO....

Exactly!

wxman · August 18th, 2011, 19:19

Don't want to give the impression that I'm against any type of emissions regulations, just regs that are misguided, even by the regulators' own admissions!

Derrel H Green · August 18th, 2011, 19:19

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Originally Posted by wxman

Exactly!

What does all this have to do with the TOPIC?

When I check in here, I am expecting to read about the 2012 Passat.

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oxford_guy · August 18th, 2011, 21:48

Wow. Apparently the Passat is more decontented here than in China. Check out the LEDs:

http://www.passatchina.com/

heykw · August 18th, 2011, 22:40

Ok, so the Feds are idiots. Tell me something I dont know.

Lug_Nut · August 19th, 2011, 04:57

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Originally Posted by rotarykid

I think the point is to many of us here on this site at least is we want a new replacement that can at least equal the mid 50s mpgUS, easily achieved with a manual trans and 1Z or ALH equipped car......

.......If I am going to have to put out this kind of cash to replace my diesel it needs to at least equal the mid 50s mpgUS in mixed driving of pretty much any manual trans 1z or ALH equipped car.

Yeah, the $30k price of admission to the Pa(US)sat TDI could buy ten 15 year old A3 TDIs, but as far as fuel economy goes, I think this will be giving the ALH 5 speeds a run for the money. See below.

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Lug_Nut came over today to see the Passat and take it for a drive.
And of course, mileage expert that he is, after his test drive this is what the display read.

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Originally Posted by Lug_Nut

That 51.4 was obtained on a loop that I drove about an hour later in my B5.5. The loop consisted of highway, stop and go, and rural traffic. I was not making any serious attempts at max-MPG, but wanted to get an idea of what I'd get driving that car in my usual mode.
The B5.5's MFA indicated a 36.4 mpg average for that loop. Since I average 36 mpg in that car, I think the traffic and route was a fair equal to what I enounter everyday.
40% better in the '12? That's a big difference to attribute to an optimistic MFA.

securityguy · August 19th, 2011, 05:49

Oxford, I agree. Now how much would it have really added to put LED running lights and LED tails on the US version

It makes the car look so much nicer and upscale. The more I give thought to this, the more I want to wait one more year to see how folks respond and buy the 2012. There are just too many open issues for me at this point...the lack of a back-up camera being one when you purchase the NAV option. No BU camera is insane when buying a NAV in todays market.

Don't get me wrong, I love the car but feel that VW will evolve and make a few tweaks to the 2013 that may get me closer to where I want to be. Interesting that Mazda and few others will be introducing diesels here next year which should make things more interesting!

kjclow · August 19th, 2011, 05:55

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Originally Posted by securityguy

the lack of a back-up camera being one when you purchase the NAV option. No BU camera is insane when buying a NAV in todays market.

Interesting that Mazda and few others will be introducing diesels here next year which should make things more interesting!

The backup cameras had to be deleted because no one can get the parts necessary to build them. Those plants are still shut down in Japan. It would be great if VW could give you a voucher to have the camera installed once they start shipping again, but that is probably more work then most of the dealer's garages can handle.

As far as the Mazda and GM diesels, I'll believe when I can test drive one.

PlaneCrazy · August 19th, 2011, 06:02

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Originally Posted by securityguy

Oxford, I agree. Now how much would it have really added to put LED running lights and LED tails on the US version

It makes the car look so much nicer and upscale. The more I give thought to this, the more I want to wait one more year to see how folks respond and buy the 2012. There are just too many open issues for me at this point...the lack of a back-up camera being one when you purchase the NAV option. No BU camera is insane when buying a NAV in todays market.

Don't get me wrong, I love the car but feel that VW will evolve and make a few tweaks to the 2013 that may get me closer to where I want to be. Interesting that Mazda and few others will be introducing diesels here next year which should make things more interesting!

LED tails are a pain in the... tail, in Canada or other snowy areas. In a snowstorm, they get coated in snow, and become nearly invisible, because they don't generate enough heat to melt the snow off. It's actually dangerous. On my B6 Passat I had to install a rear fog to overcome this. The rear fog is incandescent. It generated enough heat to melt the snow off the lens, so I could at least be seen by people approaching from behind.

Of course the solution would be heated lenses... but they you've just added yet another layer of complexity to look "upmarket".