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Old December 13th, 2009, 19:17   #1
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hey, just picked up one of these http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/pr...=1260760124026 for my sprinter, since it's a royal PITA to put in the oem block heater... magnet grabs like a SOB to the iron block, just above the oil pan. thinking about tacking one on my transmission too, then wiring to a common plug.

Has anyone tried this on a tdi? if i remember correctly, aren't our engines all aluminum? i know the dsg case is, so i guess i won't be using it on the tranny, but i'd really like to cover all my bases in the battle against cold start wear. my 2006 jetta already has a webasto blueheat system in it, which i love, but i can't help but feel like my oil and dsg fluid could benefit hugely from being all warm and gooey on the cold mornings. i haven't actually installed it on my truck yet, but i'm confident it'll help. especially since it holds 12L of oil, and it doesn't like starting up on really cold mornings.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 19:36   #2
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Wonder if we'll have a fire 2010 thread.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 19:40   #3
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well, i don't think you can have a magnet melt and fall off thus starting a fire. so i think we're pretty safe here.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 20:32   #4
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well, i don't think you can have a magnet melt and fall off thus starting a fire. so i think we're pretty safe here.
I agree, as long as you're not putting it against something that will melt, it should be okay. It's CSA approved, after all.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 21:21   #5
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Pretty sure she's all aluminum. No dice.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 21:41   #6
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Wonder if we'll have a fire 2010 thread.
how very optimistic
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Old December 14th, 2009, 00:28   #7
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If you have a hybrid oil pan you can use this, otherwise the magnet won't stick to the stock aluminum oil pan.
In terms of your truck, good luck. I know it does not get as cold out there as what I am having right now. I got one of these for my GMC w4500 and at -25`C it did nothing for me. Honestly there was a piece of ice an inch up on the oil pan that never fell off with this thing on all night. When I went to start the truck it felt like it does when ever I have to start it at -25`c, no different. I think the idea is great, but I am going to try one of those pad heaters that didn't do so well on the tdi's. With no skid plate to worry about, they recommend a 500W pad for oil capacities of 12-24 liters. Not something you can find at CT, but I am sure somebody has one out there.

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Old December 14th, 2009, 05:33   #8
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Old December 14th, 2009, 06:29   #9
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IMO, it's far better to get the coolant heater. Coolant heater will heat up the coolant in the cyl. head, OHE & A/THE -if equipped, heater core. You kill many birds with one stone type of deal. Yes, it isn't a PAP, but it's very rewarding.
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Old December 14th, 2009, 06:43   #10
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Use up electicity and do no warming when applied to an engine block. Tried it years ago. Waste of time/money. May work on an iron oil pan, but I think it would be minimal.
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Why not use all of the above? It need not be a single solution fix.
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Old December 14th, 2009, 17:03   #12
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the sprinter has a coolant heater integrated, it's an espar unit... same concept as the webasto blueheat already on my jetta (best winter upgrade EVER), however, in the sprinter the espar is not equipped with a timer that allows the unit to be fired when the engine is not running. this renders it almost useless, except that it allows faster warm up once the truck has been started. I'm disapointed to hear that the magnet is useless... i know it's only 200 watt, but i guess i was being optimistic. if is wasn't 60 bucks i'd consider getting maybe 3 of them, equaling 600 watts, but for that money i can get some monkey at the dodge dealership to install the factory block heater. for the jetta, i'm just gonna spray foam the roof of my shop/garage and spend my money keeping it a reasonable temperature.
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Old December 14th, 2009, 17:32   #13
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Have you seeen this?

http://www.wolverineheater.com/products.shtml

Does your Sprinter have an OHE like the one on the Jetta? If so, you could wrap a suitable Wolverine heater pad
arounf the OHE housing. That should heat the OHE housing then in turn it'll heat the coolant. Or stick one on the
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Old December 14th, 2009, 17:49   #14
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looks cool, er, warm. it's saying 500 watts for 13 - 26l or something like that... so i'm thinking two of the 200 watt magnets would be sufficient for 12l of oil, however i'm putting them on the block, just above the oil pan, rather than on the pan. i figured that warming the block would be more effective than just warming the oil in the pan... if the block is ice cold, when the warm oil hits it, it'd just suck the heat out of the oil, but if the block is warm, it's going to warm the oil. i dunno, maybe i got it backwards. it's shake the hands and kiss the babies, not shake the babies and kiss the hands. maybe that's why i lost that governors election back in 86.
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Old December 15th, 2009, 07:05   #15
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Those magnet heaters do next to nothing on an engine block. Tried them on my little 2 cylinder diesel tractor and after hours you could lay your hand on the iron right next to them and it was stone cold. Now try to imagine that heat (or lack thereof) passing thru to the coolant and warming it?? Perhaps if they were indoors out of the cold/wind, but then you wouldn't really need them then.
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