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Old November 8th, 2008, 12:51   #1
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I am posting this re the benefit of MikesTDI. He asked me to post this for him.

He asked VW specifically about the timing belt change interval and VW responded to him with the an 80k interval. I've talked to Oilhammer who says its okay to 100k. Can you gurus chime in and let us all know your opinions on this. I've changed his name on the correspondence to his handle fyi.

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Dear Mr. MikesTDI:
Thank you for your e-mail requesting information regarding the maintenance on your Passat. I can understand you wish to take the best possible care of such an impressive car, and I appreciate the opportunity to respond.
We recommend the timing belt to be replaced at 80,000 miles on your Passat. The oil recommended to be used in your engine is VW 505 01 quality, fully synthetic oil. I am happy to clarify this information for you. For any further questions regarding the technical aspects of the maintenance on your car, please contact your local Volkswagen service facility.
As a valued member of the Volkswagen family, your questions are important to us. Again, thank you for your e-mail. If I may be of future assistance regarding this, or any other matter, please donít hesitate to contact me again by e-mail at www.vw.com, or through our Customer CARE Center at (800) 822-8987. If I am not available one of my colleagues will be able to assist you.
Sincerely,



Gabrielle De Land
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*Please do not reply to this e-mail, as we currently are unable to accept replies. Thank you in advance for your understanding.
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Old November 8th, 2008, 12:53   #2
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it's interesting if they're officially backing away from the 100k interval. Personally, I don't think it's a bad idea based upon failures we've seen over the past few years. It's a risk simply not worth taking.

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Old November 8th, 2008, 13:00   #3
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I have yet to see a single PD engine, or a single later ALH engine (2003) that has had any issues before 100k miles. I note the position of things, like the tensioner indicator, and how far 'off' the cam is before the lock pin will slide in, and in every case the PDs all still look like new.

Of all the ALH engines that have simply NEGLECTED the belt, the original one from the factory, but remained untouched otherwise, I have seen failures as low as 117k and as high as 196k. The later (textured style) belts that all the 100k mile ALHs get, which is the same material all the PDs already have, seems to hold up really, really well.

In fact, 99% of every timing belt or timing belt related issue I see on any VAG diesel engine is from neglect, or doing the job incompletely and/or improperly. And trust me I see PLENTY of that, as do others.
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Old November 8th, 2008, 13:02   #4
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Thank you for clarifying this Oilhammer. I will have mine inspected at 80k by a guru and then move on from there.
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Old November 8th, 2008, 13:06   #5
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Here's what VW says on their very own website re 2005 Passat TDI as of Nov 8, 2008:

Items to be serviced:

Engine Oil - change


Engine Filter - change


Timing Belt - check


V Belt/Ribbed Belt - check tension/condition


Air Cleaner - replace filter


Water Separator - drain


Fuel Filter - replace


Windshield Washer Fluid - check level


Automatic Shift Lock - check operation


Brake System - check damage/leaks, pad thickness, fluid level


Wheels - rotate from front to rear


Battery - check electrolyte level


Engine - check for leaks


Pollen Filter - replace


Cooling System - check level


Transmission - check for leaks


Tires/Spare - check condition


Driveshaft - check boots


On Board Diagnostics - check Diagnostic Trouble Code memory


Door Hinge - lube


Headlights - check and adjust if necessary


Exhaust System - check for damage and leaks


Sunroof Frame - clean and lubricate


Road Test - check system functions during and after


Power Steering - check fluid level


Automatic Trans. Fluid and Differential - Check for leaks / level. Add if necessary


Front Axle - check dust seals, ball joints, tie rods
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Old November 8th, 2008, 16:51   #6
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My stealer and my manual both say: visual inspection at 144,000 km (90,000 miles), and if all is well, you can motor on to 160,000 km (100,000 miles) where definitive replacement is required.
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Old November 9th, 2008, 11:06   #7
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^^^^+1. My manual writes the same.

Regardless of that, I had mine changed at 141000 km (87613 miles), even though visual inspection looked good. Overkill to say the least, but with RC2 and a heavy foot once in a while, it made sense in my world.
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Old November 9th, 2008, 14:40   #8
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I have to agree with what you see in the printed manual, however the printed manual cannot dynamically update itself....

I have the DVD eBahn (Bentley) repair manual, and of course it includes the Maintenance Schedules. You get 1 year of electronic updates with the electronic manual, and I checked about once per month for updates and applied them all. The schedules were last updated May 16, 2008, and the 1.9 and the 2.0 PD diesel engine schedules are both revised with Timing Belts replacement (no, not check) at 80K miles (128K kms). Hey, I am not making it up, it's there in black & white. I also recently asked the local dealer when I need to do the Timing Belt, and they also want to do it at the same mileage. So, this is a fairly recent change, and maybe has not been widely published....

Perhaps VW is just erring on the safe side.... even if experience in the field shows that belts look good at over 100K miles.
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If VW changed the interval and didn't inform me, doesn't that make them liable if my belt fails between 80,000 and 100,000 miles?
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Old November 10th, 2008, 05:26   #10
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If VW changed the interval and didn't inform me, doesn't that make them liable if my belt fails between 80,000 and 100,000 miles?
Wouldn't that make it a safety drivability issue and thus under the NHTSA control?
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Old November 11th, 2008, 20:44   #11
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My 2005 VW Passat gls TDI is 90k and needs its timing belt to be replaced. I quote the local VW shop and they are asking for a handsome ammount of money for timing belt change. Is anyone aware of a good VW garage here in San Antonio TX, that will do the same for a more sensible ammount??

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Old November 12th, 2008, 04:04   #12
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My 2005 VW Passat gls TDI is 90k and needs its timing belt to be replaced. I quote the local VW shop and they are asking for a handsome ammount of money for timing belt change. Is anyone aware of a good VW garage here in San Antonio TX, that will do the same for a more sensible ammount??

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Not sure what you mean by sensible amount, but in addition to the nearly $900 worth of timing belt you need, you should also read this thread:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=223941

The timing belt kit at our shop retails for about $350, the labor is 5 hours, plus $25 worth of coolant.
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Old November 12th, 2008, 05:32   #13
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Is anyone aware of a good VW garage here in San Antonio TX
Todd Herman at www.dieseltoyz.com is good with the older engines... I don't know if he's up to date on the later ones, but it doesn't hurt to ask... 210--683--9663

Read what's in Oilhammer's link... (and you could point Todd to it as well...)

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Old November 16th, 2008, 21:08   #14
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Manuals says 100k (US) and I will start planning when at 90 based on time of year, use patterns, and how it works out for us (basically not to get caught out going past about 98k).

VW has to notify if that changes and I suspect like the oil, not all reps know or are looking in the right place. The new belts are new and improved.

I have seen some of that at work (we use the same type belt on conveyor drives). The old ones are being replaced by new ones that are 1/3 the width. Technology does change. In this case they went to carbon fiber material, and that's incredibly strong (its the same stuff they are making the new Boeing 786 fuselage and wings out of).
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Manuals says 100k (US) and I will start planning when at 90 based on time of year, use patterns, and how it works out for us (basically not to get caught out going past about 98k).

VW has to notify if that changes and I suspect like the oil, not all reps know or are looking in the right place. The new belts are new and improved.

I have seen some of that at work (we use the same type belt on conveyor drives). The old ones are being replaced by new ones that are 1/3 the width. Technology does change. In this case they went to carbon fiber material, and that's incredibly strong (its the same stuff they are making the new Boeing 786 fuselage and wings out of).
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