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Alternative Diesel Fuels (Biodiesel, WVO, SVO, BTL, GTL etc) Discussions about alternative fuels for use in our TDI's. This includes biodiesel WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil), SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil), BTL (Biomass to Liquid), GTL (Gas to Liquids) etc. Please note the Fuel Disclaimer.

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Old February 10th, 2008, 01:37   #1
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Anybody running the Syndiesel yet?

I have searched, but I cant come up with anything here..

Like GTL, or the Syntroleum stuff, Sounds like good stuff..

How about 63 Cetane or 20% better BTU's..
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Old February 10th, 2008, 04:30   #2
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I've used it at the track, blended 50/50 with regular diesel. Getting the cetane over 49 or 50 doesn't help much as the engine is designed to run on that cetane level. At a short track (Gingerman) it was good for about 2 sec. a lap. The big problem is the expense, especially shipping. Hiperfuels is in Houston, so if you're near there and can pick it up it becomes more economical.

Given its cost I'd be inclined to run 50% bio (54 cetane) to bring the numbers up in dino diesel.
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Old February 10th, 2008, 12:12   #3
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Yeah if I was in and around Houston I'd be all over that! Best I remember, the cost isn't much more than regular D2 if you buy a drum and don't have to ship it.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 02:05   #4
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You can get a good deal from HIPERfuels in Houston, especially if you pick it up your self..

IBW, did you drive around town with it, what did you notice, like smoothness, LESS FUEL Injector Noise? Better throttle response?

How about running it regularly, because of the lack of lubricates?

I like everything I am reading about it so far..
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Old February 11th, 2008, 04:41   #5
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Cost is aroung 7.00 a gallon. I was the second fastest TDI (documented) at the 2002 Fest. Nice fuel cost prohibitive..
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It didn't seem much different driving around normally. In fact, I didn't feel a big difference on the track, but the stopwatch told the story. When I was running it I was able to stay pretty close to dbLog's Golf when he has a VNT-20 and I was running a stock car except for a chip. But seat-of-the-pants didn't seem much different. I always use a lubricity additive and was only blending it 50%, so I wasn't worried about lack of lubricity.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 06:55   #7
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I went to their website and if you buy the drum it comes out to less than $4.10 per gallon. That's not much more than pump prices. Could you imagine if they made this everywhere? Does syndiesel already have lubricity requirements met? Are there any evaportive losses if it were bought and stored? What is the "storage life?" Does it attract water like D2?
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Old February 12th, 2008, 08:03   #8
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Dh, Self life is 10 years..Minimum evaporation, 20% more BTU's, 63 cetane( I have seen over 70 cetane on other Syn diesel)
No SULFUR..

Smells sweet, pleasent smell.

Very smooth, Quiets engine noise.

The engine is much smoother...

I am listening for/watching the idle stumble and there is minimum idle stumble/miss.

The engine just runs good on it..even lugging it has minimumized the groans for it.

You can get it for less then that price as well..Less then $4 gallon if you pick it up yourself.

I need to do just a little more testing for fuel economy now.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 15:33   #9
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Mach1 we should split a drum of this.
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Great info. I wish this was available everywhere.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 19:01   #11
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Dh, you can get a drum shipped to your front door, but I dont think you could get it for that price.
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Shipping is what eats the deal. I mean get it from a local supplier.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 01:06   #13
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Dh, make a trip to Okla, they manufacture it there. Buy a years supply of fuel, all at once, I bet you could get a smoking deal...
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I've heard about Syndiesel, but haven't a clue what it is, does anyone have a good link to information on the stuff? Is it bio based?
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Old February 13th, 2008, 06:49   #15
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of it's hydrocracked natural gas isn't it? Mach1, if I had the time and money it would probably be worth it. If you could get it in sealed drums (which I am sure you do), then getting a ton and storing it would be a very ideal situation.
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