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TDI (Diesel) Emissions This is a discussion about emissions from TDI's. Pro's cons of Diesels (including biodiesel) effects on the environment and how they compare to Gasoline and other fuel sources for Internal combustion engines.

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Old January 13th, 2008, 23:01   #1
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Hi everyone. I am posting my experience for other to consider and am looking for a factory recall notice.

I have a 2006 Jetta TDI with 64,000 miles on it. My wife drives +100 round trip each day - and this accounts for the high mileage on a new car. She stopped for coffee before going to work and could not get the car to run again.

The car would start and run for approximately 2 to 5 seconds. At that point, the car would stop running - sounding like it was starved for fuel. Pressing the accelerator while it was running resulted in large amounts of white smoke and the motor would still stop within the 5 seconds.

Since the California dealerships are not used to these newer diesels, they had to call VW Tech Support for help. The first thing they suggested was checking the fuel tank for a "black film", flush the tank and change the fuel filter. $380 later the car would run but would shutter violently when the accelerator was pressed. 25 days later, they received a new EGR valve and the car runs like new again (add another $512 to the total).

The final explanation from the dealership: the EGR valve was stuck open and caused the issue. The black film (which I never saw and the rep later described as not black but like a "dusting") was never indicated as a problem or as contributing to the problem. When confronted with the first repair, I clearly asked if the "black film" was in the fuel filter and I was initially told no but that the dealership would not continue until this was cleaned. (Keep in mind the same dealer just serviced the car 3,000 miles before and this included changing the fuel filter - no mention of "black film" at that time.)

I have a 2004 Jetta TDI that had a factory recall on the EGR valve last year. Since my 2006 has higher mileage than most, I wanted to post this experience as others may experience this issue.

If your car stops running for no apparent reason, have your mechanic check the EGR valve first. Also, be prepared to wait for the part to arrive - as I was told the part was backordered in Germany.

Hope this helps!
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Old January 13th, 2008, 23:11   #2
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Yikes I hope you can get them to refund you for 'strike-one' of their diagnosis!
Thanks for posting your experience. The tdiclub collective feeds off of knowledge such as this.
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Old January 14th, 2008, 01:42   #3
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They probably didn't NEED to replace the whole thing. Dealers like to replace things. Even stuff that does work. It could have just be clogged and got stuck, a good cleaning would've got her working great again.
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Old January 14th, 2008, 08:33   #4
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First of all the egr is an emissions device which is covered by your FACTORY WARRANTY AND IS REQUIRED BY THE US EPA. The stealership should not charge you a thing. You are being robbed blind; the stealer wasn't wearing a mask was he?? Call VWoA and demand a refund.


EMISSIONS WARRANTIES
FOR 1995 AND NEWER CARS & TRUCKS


Federally required emission control warranties protect you, the
vehicle owner, from the cost of repairs for certain emission related
failures that result from manufacturer defects in materials and
workmanship or that cause your vehicle to exceed federal emission
standards. Manufacturers have been required by federal law to provide
emission control coverage for vehicles since 1972. There are two
federal emission control warranties discussed in this fact sheet: (A)
"Performance Warranty" and (B) "Design and Defect Warranty". This
fact sheet explains each warranty in detail, provides you with a list
of some of the parts covered under these warranties, explains the
procedures for making an emissions warranty claim, and answers some of
the most commonly asked questions about emissions warranties.
Finally, we will give you some tips on how to prevent future
emission-related failures and maintain the longevity of your vehicle's
engine.

A. PERFORMANCE WARRANTY

The Performance Warranty covers repairs which are required during
the first 2 years or 24,000 miles of vehicle use because the vehicle
failed an emission test. Specified major emission control components
are covered for the first 8 years or 80,000 miles. If you are a
resident of an area with an Inspection and Maintenance (I/M) program
that meets federal guidelines, you are eligible for this warranty
protection provided that:

* Your car or light-duty truck fails an approved emissions test;
and

* Your vehicle is less than 2 years old and has less than 24,000
miles (up to 8 years/80,000 miles for certain components); and

* Your state or local government requires that you repair the
vehicle; and

* The test failure does not result from misuse of the vehicle or a
failure to follow the manufacturers' written maintenance
instructions; and

* You present the vehicle to a warranty-authorized manufacturer
representative, along with evidence of the emission test failure,
during the warranty period.

During the first 2 years/24,000 miles, the Performance Warranty
covers any repair or adjustment which is necessary to make your
vehicle pass an approved, locally-required emission test and as long
as your vehicle has not exceeded the warranty time or mileage
limitations and has been properly maintained according to the
manufacturer's specifications.

EMISSION CONTROL PARTS

Exhaust Gas Conversion Systems

oxygen sensor thermal reactor
catalytic converter dual-walled exhaust pipe

Exhaust Gas Recirculation System

EGR valve thermal vacuum switch
EGR solenoid EGR spacer plate
EGR backpressure transducer Sensor and switches use to
control EGR flow

Evaporative Emission Control System

purge valve fuel filler cap
purge solenoid vapor storage canister and filter

Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV) System

PCV valve PCV solenoid

Air Injection System

Air pump diverter, bypass, or gulp valve
reed valve anti-backfire or deceleration valve

Early Fuel Evaporative (EFE) System

EFE valve thermal vacuum switch
heat riser valve

Fuel Metering System

electronic control module (unit) or EFI air flow meter, computer
command module or mixture control unit, deceleration controls,
electronic choke, fuel injectors, fuel injection units and fuel
altitude compensator sensor, bars or rails for EFI or TBI systems,
mixture settings on sealed fuel mixture control solenoid, diaphragm
or other systems, fuel metering components that achieve closed/other
feedback control sensors/loop operation switches and valves

Air Induction System

thermostatically controlled air cleaner, air
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Source(s):

http://epa.gov/otaq/consumer/warr95fs.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 16:31   #5
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Bluesmoker, thanks for the beautiful post.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 17:08   #6
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My egr problem happened at 35k ..Took two weeks and three visits to the dealer but was cover under warranty. I have over 80k now.. no problems, the car is running great.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 07:22   #7
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If you read the Federal Emissions warranty, you can only seek coverage for repairs for a component failure that causes a mandated emissions test failure. If you live where diesel cars are not required to pass an emissions test, you can not use this warranty!

I read the emissions warranty in my VW owner's manual, and of course, it says basically the same thing.

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