I recently inquired about this trans oil and PDJetta is the only one who could comment. John at Impex says it's the replacement for G055. I had incorrectly opted for G052 for about 8K-9K miles but put the updated oil in at my most recent oil change. I did the 2L through the reverse light switch. Shifiting is noticeably improved with less notchiness than G052. Even seems a little less noisy as well.
G070726A2 is noticeable improvement
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wjdell
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what is the price difference
JoeBleed
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They have a synthetic verson of it?
been pondering changing my fluid out since i have a slight hum at slow speeds. The TSB said to use the g0 55 but since your post about the 70. i have been wondering still.
been pondering changing my fluid out since i have a slight hum at slow speeds. The TSB said to use the g0 55 but since your post about the 70. i have been wondering still.
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What is " notchiness " - ?
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Well, we get down to 15 degrees in the winter, but I have a coolant heater, and its not too bad shifting with the G0A52 Mineral oil. I can live with it.
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Yes the new G70 is the replacement for the older G52 transmission fluids.
I talked in length wtih VW and this is an updated fluid designed/formulated for the transmissions going back to the first VW 4 and 5 speeds.
What I was told is that it is a little bit thicker (very very slightly so), otherwise it's like VW507.00 it's backwards compatible.
Don't be surprised if you order G052 or G055 and get the G070xxx
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I talked in length wtih VW and this is an updated fluid designed/formulated for the transmissions going back to the first VW 4 and 5 speeds.
What I was told is that it is a little bit thicker (very very slightly so), otherwise it's like VW507.00 it's backwards compatible.
Don't be surprised if you order G052 or G055 and get the G070xxx
DB
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Is it also backward compatible with G050 ?Drivbiwire said:
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scurvy
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This is good to hear. I am going to put this in my Golf at its 50k maintenence and send the OEM fluid to the lab. If this stuff works well, I may also switch the NB over to it (it has half & half MTL/MT90 in it).dhdenney said:
I tried searching for that part number on Impex's site, they claim it does not exist. Can you double-check that number for me? The one I C&P was G070726A2.
Thanks,
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Yes it replaces the G50 as well.n1das said:
My dealer was stumped at first. I was actually requiring G50, I got handed G70....WAIT A MINUTE! They were good about it and got the VW techline involved and confirmed that the G70 is a good replacement for the G50. In simple terms it's safe for transmissions that require a GL4 spec fluid for the syncros.
The G070xxx won't show up in the lists yet, it's too new. What is happening is that it is being shipped with a paper label with the G052 spec on it but the bottle is labeled G070xxxx, yes you can imagine this raised my eyebrows.
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Here ya go http://www.worldimpex.com/item_detail.html?sku=266312. It's still listed as G055.scurvy said:
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Sneaky b457@rds!Drivbiwire said:
Any idea if this is mineral or synthetic, DB?Thanks for the link, dhdenney. I'll be ordering 2 liters in the forseeable future... but I hope I actually get the G070 stuff and not the "real" G052! Talk about confusing.
Maybe call that order in and explain you want G070. That might be the easiest.scurvy said:Sneaky b457@rds!
Thanks for the link, dhdenney. I'll be ordering 2 liters in the forseeable future... but I hope I actually get the G070 stuff and not the "real" G052! Talk about confusing.
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Anyone have an update here? I need to change out my fluid and I'd like something that's a little less notchy than the factory stuff that is in there now.
I suspect G70 or MTL/MT90 is the way to go. I'd like to hear if anyone has experience with the G70 by now.
Thanks!
I suspect G70 or MTL/MT90 is the way to go. I'd like to hear if anyone has experience with the G70 by now.
Thanks!
Can you clear this up for me. Older G52 would be G052-911 Vis@100c = 14.2? G052-171, G052726A2 & G05272601G052 are newer very thin oils Vis@100c = 6.3-6.5. G055 is a newer, very thin oil, Vis@100c= 6.4. As shown in the chart below:Drivbiwire said:
Originally Posted by AndyH
(Manual Tranny Fluids)
VI Vis@40C Vis@100C
128 159.0 18.3 = AMSOIL CTL SAE 50 Powershift GL-1
..............16.7 = Motul MOTYLGEAR 75-90 GL-4/-5
..............15.6 = VW G50/G51 GL-4
185 90.0 15.6 = Redline MT-90 75-90 GL-4
..............15.2 = Mobil 1 Synthetic 75W-90 GL-5
..............15.2 = Motul Gear 300 75-90 GL-4/-5
..............15.0 = Elf Tranself Synthese FE 75-90 GL-4/-5
132 116.0 14.9 = AMSOIL AGL 80W-90 GL-5
177 84.5 14.7 = AMSOIL MTG 75-90 GL-4
..... 76.6 14.2 = VW G052-911
133 76.2 11.0 = AMSOIL CTJ SAE 30 Powershift GL-1
183 56.2 10.6 = Redline MTL 70-80 GL-4
194 47.1 9.6 = AMSOIL MTF Synchromesh Trans fluid (GM/Chrysler) GL-?
208 41.6 9.1 = Penzoil Synchromesh trans fluid GL-?
198 34.0 7.5 = Redline D4 ATF Dexron III / Mercon / API GL-4
138 40.5 7.1 = AMSOIL CTG SAE 10W Powershift GL-1
..... 31.2 6.5 = VW G-052-171-A2 GL-?
..... 35.1 6.4 = VW G-055-726-A2 GL-?
..............6.3 = VW G52 (part numbers G052726A2 / G05272601) GL-?
How can G070 be a replacement for BOTH the older thick G052 and the thinner G055 and G072s?
We need to know the Vis of G070. Can't trust VW techs as they all say something different (not their fault, just too much VW confusion over what should be a very simple issue). With an older O2A tranny I do not want to mistakenly put a really thin oil in it. Folks with newer trannys have it easier and can choose from any of the thin offerings (as I see it). I have been holding off changing my tranny fluid for 2 months waiting for a diffinative answer to this.
THanks for your post. I am still confused though. See your post below, it says G070 is a replacement for older G052 AND G055. Your above post confirms its also a replacement for G50.Drivbiwire said:
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Originally Posted by Drivbiwire
Yes the new G70 is the replacement for the older G52 transmission fluids.
I talked in length wtih VW and this is an updated fluid designed/formulated for the transmissions going back to the first VW 4 and 5 speeds.
What I was told is that it is a little bit thicker (very very slightly so), otherwise it's like VW507.00 it's backwards compatible.
Don't be surprised if you order G052 or G055 and get the G070xxx
DB
Can you clear this up for me. Older G52 would be G052-911 Vis@100c = 14.2? G052-171, G052726A2 & G05272601 are newer very thin oils Vis@100c = 6.3-6.5. G055 is a newer, very thin oil, Vis@100c= 6.4. G50 is thick Vis@100c = 15.6. As shown in the chart below:
Originally Posted by AndyH
(Manual Tranny Fluids)
VI Vis@40C Vis@100C
128 159.0 18.3 = AMSOIL CTL SAE 50 Powershift GL-1
..............16.7 = Motul MOTYLGEAR 75-90 GL-4/-5
..............15.6 = VW G50/G51 GL-4
185 90.0 15.6 = Redline MT-90 75-90 GL-4
..............15.2 = Mobil 1 Synthetic 75W-90 GL-5
..............15.2 = Motul Gear 300 75-90 GL-4/-5
..............15.0 = Elf Tranself Synthese FE 75-90 GL-4/-5
132 116.0 14.9 = AMSOIL AGL 80W-90 GL-5
177 84.5 14.7 = AMSOIL MTG 75-90 GL-4
..... 76.6 14.2 = VW G052-911
133 76.2 11.0 = AMSOIL CTJ SAE 30 Powershift GL-1
183 56.2 10.6 = Redline MTL 70-80 GL-4
194 47.1 9.6 = AMSOIL MTF Synchromesh Trans fluid (GM/Chrysler) GL-?
208 41.6 9.1 = Penzoil Synchromesh trans fluid GL-?
198 34.0 7.5 = Redline D4 ATF Dexron III / Mercon / API GL-4
138 40.5 7.1 = AMSOIL CTG SAE 10W Powershift GL-1
..... 31.2 6.5 = VW G-052-171-A2 GL-?
..... 35.1 6.4 = VW G-055-726-A2 GL-?
..............6.3 = VW G52 (part numbers G052726A2 / G05272601) GL-?
How can G070 be a replacement for BOTH the older thick G052 and G50 plus be a suitable replacement for the thinner G055 and G072s?
I appreciate your trying to clear this up for the forum, please don't think I am busting your b*lls, I am just hoping you can speak further with that same VW tech. Maybe if we stick to one VW tech we will eventually get the complete answer.
We need to know the Vis of G070. With an older O2A tranny I do not want to mistakenly put a really thin oil in it. Folks with newer trannys have it easier and can choose from any of the thin offerings (as I see it). I have been holding off changing my tranny fluid for 2 months waiting for a diffinative answer to this.
I ran into the same problem when I spoke with both parts and a service tech at my VW dealership. They both said VW recommended one of the newer, very thin oils for my 1997 Passat, yet they had G50 on hand (with I assume no suggested uses for it).
This is a big issue for those of us with older 02A trannys. As many great posts have explained, too thick or too thin can be bad. The older tranny was built for and shipped with thicker GL-4 type oil, right?
If G070 is just another variant of the very thin oils then it could be a problem for those of us with older tranny's.
I think, but can't really remember (due to confusion) that I am leaning toward G052-911, oh but wait..... was that a synthetic? I do want a synthetic, don't I? You couldn't make this stuff up could you.
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Are you stating that the G07-072-6A2 is a replacement any vehicle calling for the G05-272-6A2, ALH included? Do you have a source for this information? My local dealer - not that they know much - told me the G07-072-6A2 is for the KPF transmission (no idea what vehicle that's on).Drivbiwire said:
I have a couple litres of the G07-072-6A2 and want to be sure it's safe for my 2001 (EGR transmission code) before I put it in.
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There is a note in my Bentley 2004 on Service Manual stating all 02J transmissions are now to use the G0A52 Mineral-Based gear oil. That's what I used when I changed my gear oil and it does fine.
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Hey guys, I hate to resurrect this old thread but I'm interested in finding out how difficult it is to replace the manual transmission fluid on my 2006 Jetta.
My car has been making a moaning/groaning noise at slow speeds that is mentioned in the following technical bulletin http://www.fuzzycats.com/docs/transmission_hum_tech_bulletin.pdf
The fix is simply to replace the fluid with the updated fluid but my dealer doesn't want to do this under warranty because my car's VIN is outside of the range listed in the TSB.
I'm a bit nervous about the shift fork pin removal part of the draining process. Is that really needed?
I was thinking about just draining fluid, measuring how much drained, and adding that same amount through the brake switch as stated in the TSB.
My car has been making a moaning/groaning noise at slow speeds that is mentioned in the following technical bulletin http://www.fuzzycats.com/docs/transmission_hum_tech_bulletin.pdf
The fix is simply to replace the fluid with the updated fluid but my dealer doesn't want to do this under warranty because my car's VIN is outside of the range listed in the TSB.
I'm a bit nervous about the shift fork pin removal part of the draining process. Is that really needed?
I was thinking about just draining fluid, measuring how much drained, and adding that same amount through the brake switch as stated in the TSB.
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You do NOT add fluid through the brake switch! You add it through the fill hole. It's recommended to remove the brake switch so you have easier access to the fill hole.carlos31820 said:
The TSB does indeed recommend locking the transmission and removing the bearing pin close to the drain hole. Is that really needed?
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Believe it or not, the Service manual (Bentley) clearly states that for MKV Jettas, you cannot use the fill hole because if you do, you will end up with less fluid than required.Ferrari said:
Basically, the angle of the transmission is such that when properly filled, the fluid level is higher than the bottom of the fill hole. Look at the TSB, page 2 talks about not using the fill hole. The last page talks about refilling using the back up light switch hole. It's retarded but nonetheless accurate for the A5/MKV 5 speed transmission.
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You are correct, I misread the TSB. Weird that they left the fill hole in the original location. They should have re-located it or not installed it at all...carlos31820 said:
carlos31820
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No sweat. I wish you were right. I hate having to do all this other stuff just to drain and refill.
I'm wondering if this business of removing the bearing pin has to do with making sure every drop of fluid is drained. The manual states that the procedure for CHECKING the oil level is to drain ALL of it, measure it, make sure it measures 1.9L (2 qt.) - add more if needed, and pour it back in through that back up switch.
I was thinking about draining by just using the drain plug (and leaving the bearing pin alone). Measuring the amount of fluid that came out, and refilling with the new fluid using the same amount of fluid I drained.
I'm wondering if this business of removing the bearing pin has to do with making sure every drop of fluid is drained. The manual states that the procedure for CHECKING the oil level is to drain ALL of it, measure it, make sure it measures 1.9L (2 qt.) - add more if needed, and pour it back in through that back up switch.
I was thinking about draining by just using the drain plug (and leaving the bearing pin alone). Measuring the amount of fluid that came out, and refilling with the new fluid using the same amount of fluid I drained.
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Its interesting, but the same thing happened when the transition was made from the A1 to the A2 VW. The same transaxle was used in both body styles, but had to be rotated a little in the A2 so the fill hole was lower, so when the fluid flowed out of the fill hole, the transaxle was about .6 liters low. You filled the transaxle through the speedometer cable hole! This was on the early A2s only. Alot of early A2s had 5th gear failures because of incomplete fluid fills during fluid replacement. After the first year and half of the A2 body style, VW moved the fill hole 5 MM higher.carlos31820 said:
You would would think VW would have learned from this in 1985. I guess they did not, though.
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I wonder if I can drain what's in there, measure it, then jack up the front of the car way up to tilt the fill hole up and refill with a pre-measured amount.
I really don't want to be messing with removing that silly reverse light switch. I hear that it's got threadlocker on it.
I'll post my findings. I've ordered the fluid from 1stvwparts.com. We'll see how it goes.
I really don't want to be messing with removing that silly reverse light switch. I hear that it's got threadlocker on it.
I'll post my findings. I've ordered the fluid from 1stvwparts.com. We'll see how it goes.
I tried the overjacking and it doesn't work well. I found the reverse light switch much easier. I tried jacking the car has high as I could get it and still have much leakage while filling.carlos31820 said:
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Thanks for posting. I appreciate the help. Reverse light switch it is then. I wanted to ask you, did you only drain using the drain plug only? The TSB talks about removing the drain plug as well as one of the bearing pins in order to fully drain the transmission but I didn't want to mess with that at all if I could help it.dhdenney said: