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Old June 14th, 2007, 15:20   #1
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I just put Mobil One Turbo Diesel Truck into my PD TDI. How long before my engine blow up?

The TDI FAQ needs to be updated about the VW505.01 standard. I went by the FAQ and only looked at API when buying the oil.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 15:29   #2
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The TDI FAQ needs to be updated about the VW505.01 standard. I went by the FAQ and only looked at API when buying the oil.

Does API address diesel autos anywhere I'd never noticed that.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 15:32   #3
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Does API address diesel autos anywhere I'd never noticed that.
VW does. API CF-4 5w40 or better is usable in VE motors. 'Tis in the owners manual and has not been superseded or recended that I know of.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 15:36   #4
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VW does. API CF-4 5w40 or better is usable in VE motors. 'Tis in the owners manual and has not been superseded or recended that I know of.
Well, Bob, since you didn't take time to read the opening post, OP says he has a PD engine. Furthermore, there hasn't been one single API oil approved for any VW for nearly 5 years. Do you know otherwise
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Old June 14th, 2007, 15:42   #5
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Well, Bob, since you didn't take time to read the opening post, OP says he has a PD engine. Furthermore, there hasn't been one single API oil approved for any VW for nearly 5 years. Do you know otherwise
Your statment didn't qualify which motor. Yours was a general statment.

Let me know when VW said using an oil meeting API CF-4 isn't okay in a VE.

Rotella T 5w40 and Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5w40 both meet CF-4.

http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?...ellasynth.html
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...uck_5W-40.aspx
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Old June 14th, 2007, 15:43   #6
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Bob, stay on topic, OP and his post address PD cars, not the earlier cars.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 15:45   #7
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OK. To the OP...

Mobil 1 TDT will void the warranty in a PD. Will it cause the motor to fail? Not right away, and we don't know yet if it will ever fail with TDT. There a few adventurous folks who are using TDT in PDs.

Safe bet, use a 505.01 oil and motor on.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 15:46   #8
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Zoyz, forum brother "GMARK" has the definitive thread on M1 Turbodiesel Truck in a PD car. It's an on-going experiment. Nobody can answer your question with certainty concerning engine longevity. However, folks can share with you that your engine warranty will be voided should you have lube oil related failure and are still covered by factory warranty. There's no wiggle room there.

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Old June 14th, 2007, 17:19   #9
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Thanks for the posts. I swapped in the legal stuff. I only did about 15 miles with the TDT. The way the manual is written... using any other oil than 505.01 equals instant DOOOM! Probably just FUD.

I bought this car used with 27.5 k miles on it. I would be willing to bet the previous owner only put in generic synthetic, and didn't pay attention to the spec.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 18:26   #10
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Zoyx, you may be right about the previous owner, and while the TDT oil is very fine stuff (I use it in both my TDI - not a PD, an earlier model - and my Jeep CRD) it's probably good you stick to the "legal" stuff anyway, just in case it turns out to really make a major difference in the long haul. The problem here is, of course, we're not likely going to really know until it is way too late for a lot of folks.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 20:18   #11
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Zoyx, forum brother "GMARK" has the definitive thread on M1 Turbodiesel Truck in a PD car. It's an on-going experiment.
I found the delvac thread, not the TDT one. I will heed the advice about staying legal until the warranty is up. Then I might start experimenting. I am sure there will be new oils to try by then.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 21:30   #12
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The way the manual is written... using any other oil than 505.01 equals instant DOOOM! Probably just FUD.
Well, there is a thread around here that talks and shows pics of Dooom, but not quite instant dooom. Also one on one of the UK sites also. Just enough tease to really worry one.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 22:11   #13
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I found the delvac thread, not the TDT one.
TDT _IS_ Delvac-1...

I agree that the FAQ should be updated - if only slightly to reflect the existence of PD engines and their oil requirements.

(I offered to help with the project about a year or so ago, but heard nothing in return...)

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Zoyz, forum brother "GMARK" has the definitive thread on M1 Turbodiesel Truck in a PD car. It's an on-going experiment. Nobody can answer your question with certainty concerning engine longevity. However, folks can share with you that your engine warranty will be voided should you have lube oil related failure and are still covered by factory warranty. There's no wiggle room there.

Enjoy!
Indeed. While I have had positive results (thus far) I don't recommend using anything other than a 505.01/506.01/507.00 oil in your car. My "experiment" is not scientific and proves absolutely nothing.
Just ask my critics.
All I can report is that 60k of operation on D1 hasn't destroyed my engine. BTW, for those who are curious, I removed the cam cover last week for a look and everything is fine. Just as expected.
Sorry to disappoint.

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Old June 20th, 2007, 00:24   #15
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I just put M1 TDT oil in my '01 Jetta. I could have sworn it said 505.01 compliant on the back label. I'll check and report later. I didn't realize there was a difference in the oil requirements between VE and PD. Aren't the engines themselves the same, just with a different injection system?
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