Release date of new Jetta SportWagen TDI?

[twigless]

I just received a memo from VWoA, stating that the wagon will be April with the Tiguan, and the TDIs are still unknown. They're trying for 2nd quarter release of TDI sedan/wagon, but may be 3rd quarter ("late summer 2008", as previously stated by VW).

[PC Dave]

Originally Posted by twigless

I just received a memo from VWoA, stating that the wagon will be April with the Tiguan, and the TDIs are still unknown. They're trying for 2nd quarter release of TDI sedan/wagon, but may be 3rd quarter ("late summer 2008", as previously stated by VW).

I saw the black Sportwagen TDI at the L.A. Auto Show today, and was speaking with the uniformed reps about the release date, giving them grief, telling them I had a deposit down, etc. They saw a guy coming by in street clothes with his kid, and introduced him as somebody from VWOA in Auburn Hills. We chatted for a while about TDI's and my late, lamented Phaeton, and he said "off the record" that dealers could begin to place spec orders for the TDI Sportwagen in March, but that realistically they wouldn't get them until October. He said it would be worth the wait, that it would get 60 mpg, and would only come in loaded (SEL) form. He also said that the Touareg V6 TDI would be available in the same time frame (confirmed, sort of, by the Audi reps at the stand next door who said the Q7 TDI with the same engine would be available in 4Q08). Completely anecdotal, take it for what it's worth..

[twigless]

Originally Posted by PC Dave

They saw a guy coming by in street clothes with his kid, and introduced him as somebody from VWOA in Auburn Hills. ...he said "off the record" that dealers could begin to place spec orders for the TDI Sportwagen in March, but that realistically they wouldn't get them until October.

That's very good info, Dave! Thanks for the post.
I recently heard about the strike by the National Union of Metalworkers of South Africa (NUMSA). They say the NUMSA represents over 50,000 workers in the motor components, retail and repair sectors, which will impact production of Volkswagen, Nissan and DaimlerChrysler. Wonder how long this is expected to go on (or when it started)...

[QSHIPWAGON]

Originally Posted by PC Dave

He said it would be worth the wait, that it would get 60 mpg, and would only come in loaded (SEL) form. ..

Thanks for sharing. Me thinks the 60MPG quote is a stretch given that VW and Keith Price have been talking low 40's to low to mid 50's in the real world for quite a while and then there's the claim that it will get 30% better mileage than a gas engine thats the same (whatever same means). 60MPG is one hell of a lot more leap than 30% from the 2.5 gasser's rated 29MPG. If the 60MPG statement had any punch I think they'd be putting out there. If I were a betting man I would say that the diesel will be available with both the SE and SEL trims but that the first arrivals will be loaded SELs. VW knows they'll sell, dealers know they'll sell, and now they're making up for lost time as well. I'd bet the only way to see an early SE is to order it yourself as early as possible. Love all these rumors. What the hell are we going to talk about when VW actually starts sharing bonified information with prospective customers ?

[Kier]

All: this email was just sent to my local dealer:

TDI Launch Nov 2007 Nov 07, 2007 | Source: undefined | Author: Adrian Hallmark
November 7, 2007
To: All Volkswagen Dealers
Subject: Clean Diesel TDI Launch

Dear Dealer,
I am writing to inform you that the North American introduction of the new Clean Diesel 2.0 li TDI for the Jetta Sedan and Wagon has been delayed from April 2008, to late summer 2008. We will remain the first volume brand offering Clean Diesel in the USA.
This situation is due to a technical issue that was found during the later stages of durability testing.
As disappointing as this is for all concerned, our first priority is to ensure that the integrity and quality of the new technology is not compromised, so as to maintain a trouble free launch.
A new SOP date has been confirmed for July by engineering, and we will initiate our ordering activities i.e. launch cars, dealer orders, etc. in spring. For image and competitive reasons, we are now working hard to bring early promotional cars into the Country in order to give you the chance to pre-sell the production arriving in October, during the Summer months. We will continue to promote Diesel through the Dieselution Tour, Jetta TDI Cup Series, and feature the technology as a part of our Brand Campaign in the first half of the year.
For reasons of our mutual profitability, we are investigating a number of actions to make up a portion of the TDI shortfall, such as but not limited to, obtaining additional production of high demand product, ramping up the launch production, and speeding up shipment times of the new TDI, bringing in special edition cars etc.
The launch of all other new models planned for 2008 are on time; Jetta SportWagen, Tiguan, Passat Coupe, M-Van and Touareg 2 with V6 Clean Diesel TDI. With all of these new models coming into the market, and even with the delay of the new TDI, we are targeting to grow next year, and this delay will be discounted from the BPB objectives as we have always promised.

We must now take advantage of the launches that are before us and not let this set-back to our growth strategy cause us to lose focus on the turnaround that we have begun. We appreciate your understanding of the situation and will keep you apprised of any further developments as soon as they are available.

Yours sincerely,
Adrian Hallmark

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[lbhskier37]

Originally Posted by PC Dave

I saw the black Sportwagen TDI at the L.A. Auto Show today, and was speaking with the uniformed reps about the release date, giving them grief, telling them I had a deposit down, etc. They saw a guy coming by in street clothes with his kid, and introduced him as somebody from VWOA in Auburn Hills. We chatted for a while about TDI's and my late, lamented Phaeton, and he said "off the record" that dealers could begin to place spec orders for the TDI Sportwagen in March, but that realistically they wouldn't get them until October. He said it would be worth the wait, that it would get 60 mpg, and would only come in loaded (SEL) form. He also said that the Touareg V6 TDI would be available in the same time frame (confirmed, sort of, by the Audi reps at the stand next door who said the Q7 TDI with the same engine would be available in 4Q08). Completely anecdotal, take it for what it's worth..

We've been hearing since it was announced that it will be available with the 6 speed manual, so this delay better not change that. I am really hoping for a SE. Although since this delay I am now considering a 2006.5 SE, a dealer near me still has a few left. If I can get one for below MSRP I will consider that option.

[twigless]

Originally Posted by QSHIPWAGON

What the hell are we going to talk about when VW actually starts sharing bonified information with prospective customers ?

Maybe I'll get some work done!
Seriously, come next fall everyone will be talking about their new 2.0s and economy, and then there will be new debates about what oil to use in what part of the country, and the dpf clogging, and the turbo upgrades, etc. I think we'll never run short of things to talk about.

[likmywagon]

Hello all, I love the look of the SEMA sport wagon, the front end is reminiscent of my 95 B4 wagon. I've always owned pre-owned vehicles but if job stuff works out as I hope I may want (hopefully not need) a brand new TDI by late summer the fall of 08. One thing I'm wary about is buying a 1st model year vehicle with the potential for bugs that haven't been worked out either in design or manufacturing. With that in mind can any one answer a couple of questions for me.
Namely I've seen info about multivalve TDIs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...170_hp_2.0_TDI) that are currently available in Europe, does the Sport Wagon have this, or a minor variation of this engine?
Along the same vane is this car currently in production and available in other markets and if so what's the feedback?
Finally if the engine is already out there what kind of tuning is being done and what are the results.



Alex

[MR42HH]

Originally Posted by likmywagon

Namely I've seen info about multivalve TDIs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...170_hp_2.0_TDI) that are currently available in Europe, does the Sport Wagon have this, or a minor variation of this engine?

It's more like an all-new engine... maybe the block is similar, but the injection system is all-new and I would suspect su is pretty much anything else.

Along the same vane is this car currently in production and available in other markets and if so what's the feedback?

The car has been available in Europe for some time (it's just called Golf Variant here), but with the 1.9 and 2.0 Pumpe-Düse TDIs.

Finally if the engine is already out there what kind of tuning is being done and what are the results.

The engine has been out since the European launch of the Tiguan. That was not even two weeks
ago. Give the tuners some more time...

[n_a_c]

Went to a dealer today. He said that the diesels will be in the Jetta sedan first - about in Oct 2008. He said that the Jetta GAS wagon will come out early next year (spring some time), but that the Jetta wagon wont get the diesel until after the sedan - so figure not until Jan of 2009.

I've tried to follow this thread, but I'm sure I missed some posts. But I'm not sure if anyone else commented that the sedans will come first, therefore the TDI wagons will be even futher delayed.

Ack!!

Now, the general consensis is to not trust dealers, but this is believable because sedans sell better, and VW is happy to sell the sedans if that is what most people want.

A few other comments: the dealer did say that there would be manual transmissions as an optional with the TDI. And he said there are no plans for a Passat diesel that he knows of.

[redtdi966]

if they want to sell with the best fuel price leverage bring them out in the spring when diesel fuel is lower. Now my friends make light of my $3.41 per gallon diesel fuel. I did a calc, if I drive my passat TDI @42 mpg vs my daughters A3 Jetta 4cyl @30mpg (2.89 per gallon) I'm only saving $9.50 per 600 miles with the diesel. I'd like to bump the TDI number up to 52 mpg.

[redtdi966]

I'd hate to see "BTU per gallon fuel pricing" which seems to be happening, kind of take the fun out of owning a diesel!
I know that the price floats higher in winter because of demand pricing (yea not to mention either pay or you'll freeze).
All I know my Exxon stock has been a very , very good investment

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Originally Posted by redtdi966

if they want to sell with the best fuel price leverage bring them out in the spring when diesel fuel is lower. Now my friends make light of my $3.41 per gallon diesel fuel. I did a calc, if I drive my passat TDI @42 mpg vs my daughters A3 Jetta 4cyl @30mpg (2.89 per gallon) I'm only saving $9.50 per 600 miles with the diesel. I'd like to bump the TDI number up to 52 mpg.

My daughter is lucky to get 22 in her A3 Jetta automatic. That would be a better comparison as the Passat is an auto as well. She does have a lead foot, however.

I still do the divide by 2 to think of the price of diesel compared to gasoline, as my Jetta wagon gets approximately twice the fuel economy of a 1.8T in the same car. So my fill up last night really cost me $1.72 per gallon where permium at the same station was $3.31. Sounds pretty economical to me.

Brian, I think the Sportwagens are going to show up too late for summer vacations, if they show this calendar year at all. It's really a shame, as it's going to hurt VW. Diesel Jettas and Tiguans would create a lot of showroom traffic and probably better sales for the gas powered VWs as well. I guess now we'll have to wait for the V6 Toureg. That one should be on schedule, I imagine.

[TornadoRed]

Originally Posted by redtdi966

I did a calc, if I drive my passat TDI @42 mpg vs my daughters A3 Jetta 4cyl @30mpg (2.89 per gallon) I'm only saving $9.50 per 600 miles with the diesel.mpg.

That is why TDIs are the best deal for folks who drive lots of miles. If you only drive 600 miles a month, the savings are minimal. The more you drive, the more you save.

But you're also comparing current fuel prices, and it's not like this all year round.

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[QSHIPWAGON]

Originally Posted by n_a_c

Went to a dealer today. He said that the diesels will be in the Jetta sedan first - about in Oct 2008. He said that the Jetta GAS wagon will come out early next year (spring some time), but that the Jetta wagon wont get the diesel until after the sedan - so figure not until Jan of 2009.

We haven't heard about a Sportwagen TDI "hold" over the sedan from any credible sources.... yet. Your dealer might be right, but where did he get his info?