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Upgrades (non TDI Engine related) The place of handling, lighting and other upgrades that do not relate to the performance or economy of the TDI engine. In other words upgrades to your TDI that don't fit into TDI Fuel Economy & TDI Engine Enhancements.Please note the Performance Disclaimer

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Old February 18th, 2007, 18:48   #1
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Default Koni Reds vs. FSD's

I need to upgrade this Spring. The 2003 Jetta Wagon will be turning 100K, and it's time for a facelift. (leglift?) I plan on keeping the stock springs, but adding a rear sway bar (still undecided on which one). I don't want to change the ride height, but I do want to reduce the understeer.

What's the main difference between the FSD's and the Reds in regards to ride and handling? Enough to justify the $200.00 difference in price between the two for a car that never sees the track?

I do haul 1,000# or more on occasion.

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Old February 18th, 2007, 19:18   #2
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I had Reds in my '02 wagon for 40K and now have had FSDs for about 15K. The Reds ride great, handle fine, and are very predictable. The FSDs are a bit firmer, handle much better, but may sacrifice a bit of ride. And sometimes when my wagon was loaded up the Reds felt a bit soft in the rear: not so the FSDs. The rears are pressurized and it helps.

My vote: FSDs if you drive hard, Reds if you don't.
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Old February 18th, 2007, 20:14   #3
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I second that.. I've had both, and MUCH, MUCH prefer the FSD's.

granted, I have a Golf and not a JWagon, but in my case the ride is actually better with the FSD's as well - especially on the not-so-smooth roads in New England..

Don't get me wrong, the Reds were a big improvement over stock and I was pleased with them, but the FSD's are even better. Well worth the $200 difference IMO.
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Old February 19th, 2007, 09:58   #4
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indigo/blue... you both riding on stock springs?
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Old February 19th, 2007, 10:43   #5
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can't speak for indigo.. but i indeed am on stockers...
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Old February 19th, 2007, 11:12   #6
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Indigo is also on stock springs (last I knew) and i've been in his car a few times, both with the reds and the FSD's. His car is amazing, handling is just about perfect and the ride is great. I'm getting the FSD's this spring as well.
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Old February 19th, 2007, 11:14   #7
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I also have a jetta wagon and stock springs with FSD's they have been in the car since November 2005, i love them. I'm sure the reds or the yellows would be fine. But can only confirm the ride of the FSD"s is great.
I have a very mild rear sway bar 23mm H&R Smooth and supple we have real bad roads up here. IBW has the shine rear bar in his wagon, the other end of the mild to strong continuum He speaks highly of it.
If you go with the FSD's i would reccomend installing the VW 10 mm spacer in the front.
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Old February 19th, 2007, 12:13   #8
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good point, i forgot to note I am running the shine bar... makes a HUGE difference as well.
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Old February 19th, 2007, 12:42   #9
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what is "VW 10 mm spacer in the front"?
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Old February 19th, 2007, 14:22   #10
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O.K., Thanks! *sighs* Another $200.00 out the window!

I haven't been to the Shine webpage yet, IBW, what bar ya runnin'?
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Old February 19th, 2007, 15:14   #11
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The spacer is VW part#1J0 412 311 below is a link to a photo (Thanks Peter Pyce)
The spacer lifts the front end 10 mm which helps make up for the lift you get in the rear from the high presure rear in the mkiv FSD kit.
The added hight helps the overall geometry.

Ahttp://www.peterpyce.com/Shine/Sapcers_VWA4_Suspension_001.jpg

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how does a stiffer bar like the shine affect the overall feel, comfort, and performance?
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Old February 20th, 2007, 03:29   #13
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Stock springs, Shine rear bar. Comfort is great: firmer than stock, but never harsh. The Shine bar makes all the difference in turn in and balance. The car feels much lighter and more nimble than stock and although the FSDs contribute to that, the bar is amazing. I don't feel any comfort penalty with the bar, and despite what you might read on vortex, the car does not oversteer.

Mike, I'm glad you're liking the FSDs.
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Old February 20th, 2007, 23:54   #14
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Yeah I had FSD's on my last 02 tdi and really liked em. I plan on going that route again, but want to put on a good bar too. So its sounding more and more like shine is the ticket. Indigo how much work is involved drilling and installing the shine bar?

Also when installing new dampers like fsd's.. what else should be replaced at the same time... like bushings and strut mounts and whatnot? Be specific if you guys can. On my 02 jetta i only did the dampers and there were alot of creaks and stuff that killed me. I should have replaced something else that was old but dont know what.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 05:26   #15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pdxgrease
how much work is involved drilling and installing the shine bar?
Here you go:
http://www.peterbeers.net/vw_roadtri.../Shine_RSB.htm
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