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Old January 17th, 2007, 16:42   #1
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Default Considering trade: Passat Wagon 4Motion for my '05 Passat GLS TDI Wagon

Subject pretty much says it all.

I'm looking for a 4Motion GLX wagon with plenty of bumper-to-bumper warranty left...1.8T or V6, manual or automatic.

My '05 GLS TDI wagon has 17-inch wheels, the CD changer, and 11k+ miles...it's dark blue with beige leather interior...very pretty/handsome...and is in almost showroom condition with maintenance up to date...just had a fresh oil change at the dealer...it also has the Euro headlight switch, with the DRL relay removed...I can replace the relay easily. Also included are VW all-weather mats, including one for the cargo area (that one is not VW).

I assume it's worth mid $20's, but haven't done much research lately (I'd be happy to hear opinions).

Of course relative differences in market value and would mean the deal would have to include cash.

I'm also considering a Subaru wagon.

The car is in Albuquerque, NM.






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Old January 17th, 2007, 16:57   #2
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Gas to be a GLX? Has to be a Wagon?

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Old January 17th, 2007, 20:26   #3
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you'd be better off with a subaru wagon (outback)
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Old January 18th, 2007, 17:05   #4
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Old January 18th, 2007, 17:14   #5
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Just curious why?

All US-spec 4motion Passats are slushboxes, earlier ones were V6 only, later ones you could get the 1.8t.

The 1.8t/automatic feels absolutely lethargic compared to the TDI or V6, especially with AWD.

You can get a manual version in an Audi A4 Quattro, but you'll lose a couple inches wheelbase and rear leg room. To get the same rear seat legroom as the Passat you'll need to step up to the A6.

The Sube does not have near the body weight and front room of the Passat, but are not a bad car otherwise. Their automatics can be troublesome and are VERY expensive to replace.
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Old January 18th, 2007, 20:18   #6
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Gas to be a GLX? Has to be a Wagon?

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I'd like the GLX for the climate control...once you have that, it's hard to live without it...power seats as well...as far as I know, any GLS would not have those options.

And I'd really like a wagon instead of a sedan.
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Old January 18th, 2007, 20:19   #7
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you'd be better off with a subaru wagon (outback)
A distinct possibility...but out of curiousity, what drives your opinion?

Thanks...
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Old January 18th, 2007, 20:26   #8
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Just curious why?
We're having a bit of a snowy winter here in New Mexico...AWD sure comes in handy.

My '05 TDI is my 2nd TDI and my third diesel (other was a nice 1985 Mercedes 300 Turbo Wagon)...so I'm a fairly big diesel fan...I even converted my '97 Passat TDI to burn veggie oil.

But, I'd sure like AWD.

I really like European cars...understated good looks...character and heritage that other makes just can't match...but oh the maintenance!

So...

Perhaps a 2005 Subaru Legacy turbo limited wagon?

I hadn't heard that about the Subaru transmissions...can you elucidate?

(And thanks for the Passat model lineup details...does even the '05+ Legacies have less room up front than an 05 and earlier Passat?)
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Old January 18th, 2007, 20:33   #9
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Subies, as well as most other Asian cars, just do not have the room for "full framed" folks like me. I just cannot sit bent-legged in a car with my hair touching the headliner, and that is where the Legacy puts me. The car just feels like it is two sizes too small. And despite what many people think, the overall size of the car has little to do with its actual behind-the-wheel comfort.

Their autoboxes are Jatco (Nissan) units, and seem to have a fair amount of problems. Same basic unit as a Pathfinder/Frontier, etc. uses, just has a front diff in the bellhousing.

I just know from being in the field, I've replaced quite a few Subie autoboxes over the years, and since they are a pretty low volume car in this area I'd say the failure ratio is pretty high. Also lots of posts on IATN about them.

I've been all over the mountains in snow and never had AWD, is it really a problem or you just want them? We just last weekend drove our B5 in bad weather for the first time, and I was pretty impressed at how easily it handled the bad icy snowy roads.
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Old January 18th, 2007, 20:45   #10
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A set of really good tires can make you forget all about AWD.
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Old January 18th, 2007, 20:52   #11
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Actually, in 2004 you could get a 1.8t manual trans with 4motion. We have one.

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Old January 19th, 2007, 07:08   #12
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(And thanks for the Passat model lineup details...does even the '05+ Legacies have less room up front than an 05 and earlier Passat?)
try this out

http://www.carsdirect.com/research/compare

i just found that yesterday when i was trying to compare passenger head/shoulder room between a 2002 Jetta, an '03 Jetta wagon and an '04 Passatt wagon. the side by side comparrisons are incredibly useful IMO.
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Subject pretty much says it all.

I'm looking for a 4Motion GLX wagon with plenty of bumper-to-bumper warranty left...1.8T or V6, manual or automatic.

My '05 GLS TDI wagon has 17-inch wheels, the CD changer, and 11k+ miles...it's dark blue with beige leather interior...very pretty/handsome...and is in almost showroom condition with maintenance up to date...just had a fresh oil change at the dealer...it also has the Euro headlight switch, with the DRL relay removed...I can replace the relay easily. Also included are VW all-weather mats, including one for the cargo area (that one is not VW).

I assume it's worth mid $20's, but haven't done much research lately (I'd be happy to hear opinions).

Of course relative differences in market value and would mean the deal would have to include cash.

I'm also considering a Subaru wagon.

The car is in Albuquerque, NM.
I sent you a PM to offer to obtain a B5 4-motion for you. Did you get it? Later!
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Old January 19th, 2007, 07:56   #14
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A set of really good tires can make you forget all about AWD.
Ah...this is the big question.

I've looked at "Spike-Spyders", snow tires (including a studded option) from Tire Rack, and various kinds of chains and such.

There are pros and cons to all of them.

Based on how many times I've got stuck, even in my own flat driveway, with my Passat's OEM tires, which are supposed to be "MUD AND SNOW", it's kinda hard to imagine snow tires making all the difference...but even if they did, I imagine they might otherwise be loud, handle differently, and, if I wanted an easy changeout setup, I'd need another set of wheels, or, I'd have two different-looking wheels/tires on the front as opposed to the back.

I guess what it all boils down to is AWD solves all these problems for the price of a couple MPG (of course in my case, going from TDI to V6 I'll take a much bigger hit in MPG's).

I'm actually amazed how hard it is to push the Passat once it's got stuck...I've seen other folks in crappy front-wheel-drive GM sedans go RIGHT BY ME, or, if they were stuck, a gentle push and the car got UN stuck very quickly.

Pushing the Passat is like pushing a slug or something...it just does not want to move.

I've tried turning the ESP off, back on, back off, (off it best), but still, the tires, with almost 100% tread, just spin.

The Passat is, I think, the worst FWD car I've ever had in the snow...it's weird, what would make the Passat so much worse? It just doesn't make sense.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 08:03   #15
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I've been all over the mountains in snow and never had AWD, is it really a problem or you just want them?
See my message above...I don't know what it is or how to explain it, but my Passat is the worst FWD car I've ever had in the snow.

Maybe it's some weird combination of the particular type of snow we had here and where I just happened to get stuck, but I seriously doubt it.

My wife's Infiniti I30 was able to move quite easily under the same conditions where the Passat not only got stuck but was really hard to push to get unstuck...it's like the tires were bald or something...but they are not, they are the OEM Michelin MUD-AND-SNOW-rated tires with PLENTY of tread (almost new).

I don't know what else to do but get an AWD Passat Wagon or, the Subaru Wagon...I'd like to stay European, but I want plenty of warranty, as previous European cars I've had have cost me a BUNDLE to maintain.

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