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Old November 10th, 2006, 13:50   #1
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According to the posting rules, I am not able to attach the formatted version of this document I wrote. So here is the text, at least. Have fun debating your attendant. The only place I have been able to drive up and pump by myself in Oregon is the SeQuential Biofuels pump on NW St. Helens Rd (Potland area).

EDIT (I was going to correct Potland to Portland, but I think it's cool as it is.)


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THERE IS NO REGULATION AGAINST THE SELF-PUMPING OF DIESEL OR BIODIESEL IN THE STATE OF OREGON

1.The State of Oregon has defined what types of fuels are required to be pumped by a trained attendant.
480.315 Policy. The Legislative Assembly declares that, except as provided in ORS 480.345 to 480.385, it is in the public interest to maintain a prohibition on the self-service dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids at retail. The Legislative Assembly finds and declares that:
(1)The dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by dispensers properly trained in appropriate safety procedures reduces fire hazards directly associated with the dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids.
Therefore, only Class 1 Flammable Liquids are required to be pumped by a trained attendant in the State of Oregon.

2. OSHA has defined what is classified as a Class 1 Flammable Liquid
Flammable liquid means any liquid having a flash point below 100oF (37.8oC) or higher, the total of which make up 99 percent or more of the total volume of the mixture. Flammable liquids shall be known as Class I liquids. Class I liquids are divided into three classes as follows:
  • Class IA shall include liquids having flash points below 73oF (22.8oC) and having a boiling point below 100oF (37.8oC).
  • Class IB shall include liquids having flash points below 73oF (22.8oC) and having a boiling point at or above 100oF (37.8oC).
  • Class IC shall include liquids having flash points at or above 73oF (22.8oC) and below 100oF (37.8oC).
Therefore, any substance classified as a Class 1 Flammable Liquid must have a Flash Point BELOW +37.8oC.

3. DIESEL AND BIODIESEL are not Class 1 Flammable Liquids under OSHA
Flash points

·Gasoline: –45oC (negative 45 degrees Celsius) Gasoline IS a Class 1 Flammable liquid.
·Diesel: +62oC (62 degrees Celsius) Diesel IS NOT a Class 1 Flammable Liquid.
  • Biodiesel: +140oC (140 degrees Celsius) Biodiesel IS NOT a Class 1 Flammable Liquid.
Therefore, the State of Oregon regulations against self-dispensing of motor vehicle fuels do not apply to diesel or (especially) biodiesel.


Attached are applicable regulations from the State of Oregon and the Occupational Safety & Health Administration
OREGON (State) ADMINISTRATIVE RULES - In OARs filed through July 14, 2006


DEPARTMENT OF OREGON STATE POLICE, OFFICE OF STATE FIRE MARSHAL
DIVISION 20 - FLAMMABLE AND COMBUSTIBLE LIQUIDS

Flammable Liquid Dispensing Regulations


837-020-0025

Scope and Application

These rules establish licensing requirements for Nonretail and Conditional Nonretail Facility Owner and Operators and the requirements each Nonretail and Conditional Use Customer shall meet to dispense Class 1 Flammable Liquids at those Facilities.

Stat. Auth.: ORS 476 & ORS 480.380
Stats. Implemented: ORS 480.310 - ORS 480.385
Hist.: FM 5-1990, f. 7-13-90, cert. ef. 10-15-90; FM 4-1991(Temp), f. 12-31-91, cert. ef. 1-1-92; FM 4-1992, f. 6-15-92, cert. ef. 7-15-92; OSFM 1-2002, f. & cert. ef. 2-25-02


837-020-0030

Effective Dates

837-020-0025 through 837-020-0125 are effective upon date of filing.

Stat. Auth.: ORS 476 & ORS 480.380
Stats. Implemented: ORS 480.310 - ORS 480.385
Hist.: OSFM 1-2002, f. & cert. ef. 2-25-02

837-020-0035

Definitions

For purposes of ORS 480.310 to 480.385 and OAR 837-020-0025 through 837-020-0125 only, the following definitions apply:

(1) "Business Use" shall mean that all Class 1 Flammable Liquids dispensed into Motor Vehicles and Containers shall be used only in the course of business activities.

(2) "Class 1 Flammable Liquid" shall mean any liquid with a flash point below 25 degrees Fahrenheit, closed cup tester.


REGULATION OF GASOLINE DISPENSING (Occupational Safety & Health Administration)


480.310 Definitions for ORS 480.315 to 480.385. As used in ORS 480.315 to 480.385:

(1) “Class 1 flammable liquids” means liquids with a flash point below 25 degrees Fahrenheit, closed cup tester.
(2) “Nonretail facility” means an unattended facility where Class 1 flammable liquids are dispensed through a card or key activated fuel dispensing device to nonretail customers. [Amended by 1991 c.863 §48]
480.315 Policy. The Legislative Assembly declares that, except as provided in ORS 480.345 to 480.385, it is in the public interest to maintain a prohibition on the self-service dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids at retail. The Legislative Assembly finds and declares that:
(1) The dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by dispensers properly trained in appropriate safety procedures reduces fire hazards directly associated with the dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids;
(2) Appropriate safety standards often are unenforceable at retail self-service stations in other states because cashiers are often unable to maintain a clear view of and give undivided attention to the dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by customers;
(3) Higher liability insurance rates charged to retail self-service stations reflect the dangers posed to customers when they leave their vehicles to dispense Class 1 flammable liquids, such as the increased risk of crime and the increased risk of personal injury resulting from slipping on slick surfaces;
(4) The dangers of crime and slick surfaces described in subsection (3) of this section are enhanced because Oregon’s weather is uniquely adverse, causing wet pavement and reduced visibility;
(5) The dangers described in subsection (3) of this section are heightened when the customer is a senior citizen or is disabled, especially if the customer uses a mobility aid, such as a wheelchair, walker, cane or crutches;
(6) Attempts by other states to require the providing of aid to senior citizens and the disabled in the self-service dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids at retail have failed, and therefore, senior citizens and the disabled must pay the higher costs of full service;
(7) Exposure to toxic fumes represents a health hazard to customers dispensing Class 1 flammable liquids;
(8) The hazard described in subsection (7) of this section is heightened when the customer is pregnant;
(9) The exposure to Class 1 flammable liquids through dispensing should, in general, be limited to as few individuals as possible, such as gasoline station owners and their employees or other trained and certified dispensers;
(10) The typical practice of charging significantly higher prices for full-service fuel dispensing in states where self-service is permitted at retail:
(a) Discriminates against customers with lower incomes, who are under greater economic pressure to subject themselves to the inconvenience and hazards of self-service;
(b) Discriminates against customers who are elderly or handicapped who are unable to serve themselves and so must pay the significantly higher prices; and
(c) Increases self-service dispensing and thereby decreases maintenance checks by attendants, which results in neglect of maintenance, endangering both the customer and other motorists and resulting in unnecessary and costly repairs;
(11) The increased use of self-service at retail in other states has contributed to diminishing the availability of automotive repair facilities at gasoline stations;
(12) Self-service dispensing at retail in other states does not provide a sustained reduction in fuel prices charged to customers;
(13) A general prohibition of self-service dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by the general public promotes public welfare by providing increased safety and convenience without causing economic harm to the public in general;
(14) Self-service dispensing at retail contributes to unemployment, particularly among young people;
(15) Self-service dispensing at retail presents a health hazard and unreasonable discomfort to the handicapped, to elderly persons, small children and those susceptible to respiratory diseases;
(16) The federal Americans with Disabilities Act, Public Law 101-336, requires that equal access be provided to disabled persons at retail gasoline stations; and
(17) Small children left unattended when customers leave to make payment at retail self-service stations creates a dangerous situation. [1991 c.863 §49a; 1999 c.59 §160]
480.320 Use of coin-operated pumps and dispensing of gasoline by self-service declared hazardous. The installation and use of coin-operated dispensing devices for Class 1 flammable liquids and the dis-pensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by self-service, are declared hazardous. [Amended by 1959 c.73 §1]

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Old November 11th, 2006, 19:41   #2
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Come to Bend, Jim. I haven't had any problems with pumping my own.

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Quote:
The State of Oregon has defined what types of fuels are required to be pumped by a trained attendant.
My training when I went to work at a gas station:

"Don't ask them how they are doing, just greet them".

End of training.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 09:53   #3
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SWEET! I'm bringing this with me next time I fill. Better make sure the wife and kids are not with me though. I'm sure it will get ugly.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 19:52   #4
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While it is true you can pump it, some station owners won't let the workers do it. And they won't listen to reason.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 20:18   #5
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While it is true you can pump it, some station owners won't let the workers do it. And they won't listen to reason.
Have you had this trouble locally? Where do you buy? Since you are in Redmond, I assume you have seen the prices and don't buy in Redmond.

BTW. I heard that "they" (whoever "they" are) are going to putting in Bio pumps in Redmond, Prineville, Madras and La Pine.

La Pine with Bio?

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Old November 19th, 2006, 10:20   #6
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I pump my own at Flying J in Troutdale. No one has said a workd, and one attendent told me it was fine to pump my own diesel.
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Old November 19th, 2006, 11:08   #7
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I haven't had any problem in La Grande when I ask to top off my own tank.

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Old November 19th, 2006, 19:55   #8
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I usually fill up in Madras (50 cents / gal. cheaper). Sometimes they will let me top it off. Other times it is "Boss says you can't do that".
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Old November 19th, 2006, 21:11   #9
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I usually fill up in Madras (50 cents / gal. cheaper). Sometimes they will let me top it off. Other times it is "Boss says you can't do that".
I hate that place. Great price, but it's full of trucks all filling on the wrong side of the truck. They all point the wrong way, so I have to squeeze my little car in there.

A few weeks ago, the price on the sign was just five cents cheaper than Bend. 15-20 cents cheaper than Redmond, of course.
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Old November 23rd, 2006, 09:49   #10
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I haven't had a problem pumping my own. Maybe because I'm a gal and they don't feel threatened.

I usually will say something like "I just want to top it off all the way" and then proceed with the process of filling, letting it settle, filling, letting it settle, filling, letting it settle, etc. By that time they've lost interest in watching over me and they have other cars to deal with at the gas pumps. I'm sure they just write me off as some nut who's particular about their car.

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Old November 27th, 2006, 22:11   #11
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The CO bio might be Central Petroleum, formerly Abbott. They have a card lock in LaPine, two in Bend, one in Terrebonne and maybe others and supply several local stations in at least Bend. I was buying B99 this summer at the downtown Bend facility for my Dodge and mixing it with #2 for a 20% or so ratio.

I recently moved to Prineville and got an account with Carson and they have B20 in the pump year round here, so they also might be a commercial supplier as I think they supply several stations along with several card locks. I have run a few tanks of the B20 in the Jetta as of late.
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Thanks--I just usually quote the ORS statue to them from memory and they don't give me any crap. In fact, I find it funny...it's easier to pump my own with the Porsche filling up with GAS. They always say, "well, it's a nice car, we don't mind you taking over."
That said, I generally don't have any more issues with diesel either.
In any case, I am going to print this out and keep it in the glove box, thanks for all the work!
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The CO bio might be Central Petroleum, formerly Abbott. They have a card lock in LaPine, two in Bend, one in Terrebonne and maybe others and supply several local stations in at least Bend. I was buying B99 this summer at the downtown Bend facility for my Dodge and mixing it with #2 for a 20% or so ratio.

I recently moved to Prineville and got an account with Carson and they have B20 in the pump year round here, so they also might be a commercial supplier as I think they supply several stations along with several card locks. I have run a few tanks of the B20 in the Jetta as of late.
Hmmm this is new info. I have heard that they were going to be expanding, but I hadn't heard they already had.
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Old December 6th, 2006, 21:25   #14
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I usually fill up in Madras (50 cents / gal. cheaper). Sometimes they will let me top it off. Other times it is "Boss says you can't do that".
I'm a fuss azz when it comes to this. I will not wait for them to get around to helping me. Thanks I got it while you were on break
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