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Old November 16th, 2005, 05:56   #1
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Default When will diesel prices come down?

There's been a lot of talk about why it's so high, but what I want to know is when will it come down? It's been way above average temps in the NorthEast so I would have expected demand for diesel in general to be less than expected (home heating oil demand down) and yet I see diesel almost at what it was post katrina @ $2.79/gal average and RUL @ $2.09/gal. At least in Vermont.

At this point in time, a Toyota corolla gets better price/mile than my TDI Golf adjusted for the + $.60/gal premium of diesel... I had foolishly thought when I bought my TDI that the truckers would help keep the cost of diesel in check, but I don't see too much screaming from them, they are just passing along costs which means as a diesel passenger car group, we are kind of up the creek without a paddle.

So, is there anyone knowledgeable about when we might see some relief? At this point even driving my truck is getting to be a reasonable alternative. IMHO, the price of diesel is what will kill diesel acceptance in the US and further drive inferior hybrids. And I am not knocking hybrids to all you Prius owners, just that they are more complicated and don't get any better MPG when you compare to a TDI with the same tires/load/driving habits...
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Old November 16th, 2005, 05:59   #2
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We'll see them come down in spring, most likely.

However, there's the fact that we're buying everyone's excess gasoline for cheap cheap cheap, and nobody has excess diesel...
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Old November 16th, 2005, 09:52   #3
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Didn't see any info about how it affected prices, but distillates supplies rose by 2.6 million barrels where analysts had predicted a 450,000 barrel rise. The production goes where the money is, and right now distillates command a premium relative to gasoline.
OPEC is upping it's demand forecast for next year-they say higher prices are not destroying demand.
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Old November 16th, 2005, 12:01   #4
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My station is down to 2.259 from a high of 3.299....
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Old November 16th, 2005, 14:47   #5
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2.259? Holy crap...

I saw 2.509 today in Newark, OH, forget what station, but it was probably the BP at 13 and Deo.

Then again, at the Kroger in Mt. Gilead, it was $3.099 before discounts, $3.069 with the base (read: no groceries) discount, last night.
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Old November 16th, 2005, 23:30   #6
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Didn't see any info about how it affected prices, but distillates supplies rose by 2.6 million barrels where analysts had predicted a 450,000 barrel rise.
Not only were distillate supplies up nationally, but also up in every region except one.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...f/figure05.pdf
Only in PADD III, the Gulf Coast area, were distillate supplies down just a wee bit.
As for prices coming down... I paid $3.299 on October 12th, $2.699 tonight. Down 60 cents in five weeks, that's not bad. And I expect another 10 cent decline in the next week.
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Old November 17th, 2005, 01:08   #7
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(snip) I paid $3.299 on October 12th, $2.699 tonight.
__. Yes, things vary. On 28th of October, I paid $2.51 at the Flying J near Whytheville VA (on I-81 in the corner of VA near Tennessee) and on November 8th, I paid $2.18 at the Flying J north of Richmond VA. There seems to be kind of a price war on I-95 in Virginia, the new Love's near Emporia is establishing business by cutting prices -- usually a cent or two above Flying J -- and the older Emporia truckstops (Sadler's, Davis's) are meeting those prices.
__. With home heating oil stocks being built up, I don't see diesel falling much very quickly but it appears that the "Katrina" shock is over.
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Old November 17th, 2005, 03:31   #8
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At this point in time, a Toyota corolla gets better price/mile than my TDI Golf adjusted for the + $.60/gal premium of diesel...
There is a $.26/gal differential around here, RUL vs Diesel. FWIW, I'll take the Golf any day of any week of any year over a Corolla.... More power, much easier to get more power, therefore easier to have more fun, more features making it even more fun. Fun, fun, fun and then more fun.
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Old November 17th, 2005, 04:41   #9
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I'm seeing some stations at 2.49 now after having been steady at 2.59 or more for a week or two. RUG is between 2.09 and 2.19 though.
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Old November 17th, 2005, 05:10   #10
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The Hess I used to buy fuel at raised prices to $3.00 a gallon right after Katrinia hit (late Aug./early Sept?) and they are still 3.00 a gal. I'm baffled, because their RUL has steadily fallen at the Hess, and last night, was $2.15 a gallon. That's an 85 cent spread! Even the outragously high Exxon that used to have diesel always priced 40 cents above the Hess is cheaper. Its at $2.89 a gallon. I found a Sunoco that has it for $2.69 a gallon and have been filling up there, but I have to go 15 miles out of my way to get it. I also fill up a couple of 5 gallon "gas" cans at the same time.

I am sure tempted to make the 45 mile each way drive to Fredericksburg, VA and buy diesel there for 2.14 a gallon (according to gasbuddy.com), but I'd spend a couple of hours doing it and burn $5 in fuel getting it. Why the heck does the price vary so much? It has to be more than taxes, because this is within the same state!

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Old November 17th, 2005, 10:25   #11
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Diesel has been hovering around $2.89 in these parts. One station just lowered to $2.59 this morning. Regular unleaded was $2.13 at the same station. Geez... I guess we might see sub-$2 gas again... unfortunately.

Oh, well.. my last fill-up was B100 @ $3.93/gal.
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Old November 17th, 2005, 12:59   #12
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Prices are pretty ridiculous as well here in Toronto - between $0.92 to $1.08 per litre for D2. However, there is still a slight cost-savings with my TDI compared to my Subaru ... very minimal though ... hopefully things will come down after the winter.
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Old November 17th, 2005, 13:15   #13
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Speaking of sub-$2 gas, my brother lives just south of Des Monies IA and last week they had $1.86/gal gas. Yeah, he flips me some sheet. Oh well It is still cheap (and more fun) for me to drive my car. If only he could do math...
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Old November 17th, 2005, 20:36   #14
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here in n.w. iowa today gas was 1.99,diesel 2.59
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Old November 17th, 2005, 20:52   #15
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Chicagoland...been running 3.09 to 3.15 in the western burbs...there is one station in Elgin at 2.89 all week.
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