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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old August 29th, 2005, 18:43   #1
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Default Manual transmission fluid change how-to with pics

Before doing my transmission oil change, I did some searching of old threads to get an idea of what to do. Someone (GeWilli, I think) asked about pictures for a how-to .pdf, which it seems no one had, so I took some pictures. I haven't taken the time to find out how to make a .pdf, but here are the pictures that I've uploaded into the tdiclub picture site:

Start with a car that's still warm (so the oil flows better), put the front of the car up on jackstands, and remove the 10 (I think it's 10) torx screws that hold on the engine belly cover.

The transmission oil:
I saw an old post with a picture of a metal can of $30 VW gear oil (part# G 005 000, G50 SAE 75W-90 oil), and the dealer said that they could get it if I wanted it, but that this is what their computer said was the correct oil for all VW manual transmissions, and it's what they stocked. What they sold me was $15/liter, and required 2 (really 1-1/2) of them.


(EDIT: Rotated and notated picture; crudely but I don't know Photoshop that well yet) I picked up the 17mm hex key at Sears for US$9, but later at my local Auto Zone I saw a 3-pack of 1/2" drive hex bits (17mm/15mm/13mm) for US$8. Notice the bracket I took loose in the right lower corner of the picture; I had to loosen that so I could move the power steering line enough to get the allen wrench into the fill plug.
*Tip: Before draining the oil from the draing plug, make sure you can loosen the filler plug first. I'd be a bugger to drain the oil only to find you couldn't fill it. BIG Tip: Do NOT remove the fill plug as I have in this picture. The engineer in me thought it'd be best to have it open so that air could get in and it'd drain better. Boy oh boy did it drain. It didn't drain, it dumped. And splattered. So leave the fill plug in and it should drain in a bit more controlled fashion.


Sorry, I forgot to take a picture of it draining from the drain plug. Guess I was a bit flustered and busy cleaning up splattered tranny fluid that I forgot to snap a picture. But it'll drain out of the plug where the big allen wrench is in the above picture.

This is where my funnel-with-a-hose ended up, nicely wedged:


I used a small clip to keep the bottom end of the funnel's tube positioned so that about an inch (25mm for you Canucks) of the hose is inside the transmission:

The first liter you can pour in fairly quickly. Pour in about 1/3 of the second liter and then slow down. Eventually you'll get a trickle like this:


Note: I had my car up on 4 jackstands since I was doing some other work, so the car was approximately level. If you've only jacked up the front end, I'd suggest adding the first liter of oil, then lowering the car and adding the rest so that the oil level is correct. Keep the drain pan underneath to catch the new, overflowing oil.

A pretty easy do-it-yourselfer. I'm not sure what the manual transmission oil change interval should be, and from the old threads I perused earlier, I don't think there is one. I intended to do mine at 150k, but it ended up at 154k. Given how easy this was, I should have done it at 100k.
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Old August 30th, 2005, 00:42   #2
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Default Manual transmission fluid change how-to with pics

Good job with the picture-taking-while-doing-messy-job routine, and thanks for posting it!!

Do you notice any difference in the shifting afterwards??

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Old August 30th, 2005, 05:28   #3
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Thanks for the posting. Tranny fluid change is on my "to do" list, but haven't stashed away the time to give it a try. Nice to know it's relatively easy.

Regarding that upside down photo. I'd be careful with those... some of us take these postings too literally...

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Old August 30th, 2005, 08:07   #4
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If the transmission drain is like the older vws you can use a 17mm lug bolt from a wheel with a 17mm wrench - no tool purchase required.
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Old August 30th, 2005, 08:43   #5
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Default Manual transmission fluid change how-to with pics

This is the drain plug:



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Old August 30th, 2005, 13:58   #6
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Nice write up. How did the oil look that you removed? Still clear? Some indication that it needed the change?...or just miles traveled?
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Old August 30th, 2005, 18:24   #7
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Quote:
Regarding that upside down photo. I'd be careful with those... some of us take these postings too literally...
Sheesh. Then SOME people oughn't be doing their own car work... Just kidding. Done.

I didn't notice any difference in shifting. Still, I sure hope the oil they sold me is the right stuff. The label was all in German, so it didn't seem to have the GL-4 rating, but I'll assume it's the European equivalent since it's VW/Audi tranny oil.

I'm not an expert, but I'd have to say the drained oil looked darn good. Still transparent and maple syrup colored (or the color of a nice bock beer, if you prefer). No metal shavings that I could see. The drain plug didn't seem to have a magnet in it that I could tell. Maybe there's one elsewhere inside the transmission. I try to be very nice to my transmission, but have ground the gears a time or three. (I don't know if anyone else has had the same experiences, but the times I've ground the gears seem to be times when I've 'hurried up' too much with the shifting. Like when someone waves you through at a 4-way stop and you try to hurry it up, and end up grinding gears in front of them.)

Jason, your tranny looks way too clean.
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Old August 30th, 2005, 19:41   #8
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Too clean he says! I was actually concerned about the light coating of gunk on it, so I took that pic and cleaned the bottom of the engine and tranny with simple green. The gunk didn't come back, so I assume there was no leak
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Old May 6th, 2007, 21:27   #9
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Originally Posted by kiwibru
Nice write up. How did the oil look that you removed? Still clear? Some indication that it needed the change?...or just miles traveled?
A bit of a necropost here but thought this was a relevant enough thread...

Just changed my fluid at 103,000 miles and wanted some insight on the condition of the fluid I pulled out:



It was shifting hard every now and then and especially in the winter so this was both a mileage and needs warranted change IMO. I've never seen new OEM fluid so I have nothing to compare it to - I'm guessing new fluid would be the same color of any new oil but am not sure. Notice that in the picture I put my maglite behind the jar to try and illuminate the fluid and you can see the color of the fluid around the base of the jar a little bit.

Another question: am I ok to send this in for a UOA or do they have some different collection method? Could I have contaminated the oil somehow during collection?
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Old May 8th, 2007, 18:59   #10
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I changed my trans oil last week at 148K miles with MT-90. The trans is shifting great now. The oil I drained looked dark brown. Based on appearance it was fine, but based on shifting performance it needed it. I also lubed the shifter bushings with teflon bicycle chain lube, which helped as well.
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Old June 5th, 2007, 20:12   #11
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hey, i just checked mine tonight - seems a bit low - i'm going to change it this week - i'd like to lube these bushing your talking about too, but not sure where they are or what they do .

can you elaborate some?, have you got a pic of where they are. sorry, the car's off stands now and i just read this, so i won't have a chance to look until next time its up - but it'd be nice to have an idea of what to look for first. thanks.
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bump. does anyone know where these shifter bushings are, and what lubing them with teflon would do?

thanks. going to change out the fluid this w/e, and wondering about these shifter bushings......
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My 01 Jetta has 217,000 miles and I am still on the original fluid in my tranny. I opened the drain about 3 weeks ago to check the level and condition and it still looks brand new.

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Old July 11th, 2007, 15:27   #14
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This might be a silly question but here it goes. How are you removing the drain to check the fluid level without draining the transmission? I'd like to change my trans fluid as I have 105K miles on my car now, but if its not needed, and I can verify its not needed, then I can wait.

So how exacly does one go about checking the contition and level of oil in the manual transmission without actually draining and refilling the transmission?

The car is question is a 2001 VW New Beetle

Thank you!
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Old July 11th, 2007, 16:04   #15
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You check the level by removing the fill plug... if the car's level and nothing comes out, you stick your little finger in there to try and feel for any fluid coming up to the level of the bottom of the fill hole...

Yuri.

PS: for any new-bies: the fill plug is on the front side of the gearbox, facing the radiator... the drain plug is the one on the bottom... (this should be obvious, but...)

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