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Old May 2nd, 2005, 17:18   #1
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Is there any compelling reason to pay the extra money for 17" wheels? My dealer found a car for me, but it has 17's on it. He did offer to swap them with 16's if I desire. Are they any heavier, and thus affect mileage? Also, if they do so, will the speedo/odo still read correctly or does it have to be adjusted for the size difference? I'm more concerned about economy than pimping my ride.
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 17:36   #2
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Is there any compelling reason to pay the extra money for 17" wheels?
If a dealer locates a vehicle for you... and it's not 100% to your specifications ...it's not up to you to cough up extra cash for rims that are PLUS SIZED. I hope you're not paying extra for those rims if you decide to buy the car?

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...Are they any heavier, and thus affect mileage? Also, if they do so, will the speedo/odo still read correctly or does it have to be adjusted for the size difference? I'm more concerned about economy than pimping my ride.
We don't know the brand, but do a forum search, a member has posted almost every brand out there on a private website.

Lastly, the 6.5 or 7.0 wide 16" inch rims roll out of radius of the 15 or 17 inch rims. The 195/65-15 tire and rim almost roll identical to that of the 225/45-17. Not the case with the 205/55-16. The 205/55-16 roll taller.

Lastly, 17" rims ...a diesel ...fuel mileage?

Dunno. I always thought the 15 and 16 inch rims were the best performance and handling rim/tire combo made unless you need huge brakes and need the rotor/caliper clearences?

Other than that, for looks ...by all means go 17. But at least imform us all the model of rim.

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Old May 2nd, 2005, 17:44   #3
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Default Re: 16 or 17 inch wheels?

These would be whatever comes stock on a Passat from VW. It looks the factory must have built most or all GLS Passat sedans with 17 inch rims. They are an extra cost option, although I might be able to bluff him into including them at either reduced cost or free. Dealer cost is $350. But mileage is marginal relative to what I have now anyway, so if VW 17 rims cost me a few MPG's, I'm not buying.
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 18:10   #4
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Default Re: 16 or 17 inch wheels?

225x45R17 has exactly tha same rolling diametter as 195x65R15. You do not need any sort of adjustment.
17" give harsher ride, but much sharper look and better handling. Lot of people here on the forum say 17-s do not affect their mileage or there is minimal effect (1-2 mpg). 16's are good compromise between look and ride.
My 04 has 15-s. I'd love to have 16 or 17s but that was not even an option when I got my car.
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 18:15   #5
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So with the kinds of tire pressures we run (10% under max on sidewall) they'd be harsher than 16? In a car that only gets 27 city, 1-2 is a significant hit. I'm not going to go whipping around off ramps anyway, so don't need handling. Unless he gives them to me, I'll opt for 16". (Which he may. I haven't told him yet they are going to move my Phatbox from old car.)
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 18:19   #6
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16" gives nice look and as just as smooth ride as 15-s.
I think 16 is just the right size for B5.5
Good choice - go ahead!
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 18:52   #7
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How about 18 inch x 7.5 AZEV rims? My 2004 Passat TDI wagon looks awesome with these weels fitted with low prof Yokahamas and handles like it's on rails. Beware however... not only is this rather expensive bling for a GLS passat but these wide weels extend far enough past the wheel wells that the side pannels will see a few rock chips despite standard mud guards.
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 18:58   #8
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If you found a car with the 17's and really like the 16's I'll trade you plus some cash. I have the 16" Road Americas that were standard on my 05 and have about 5k miles on them (I run winter tires from December through April).

PM me if you are interested, as I would love the 17's.

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Old May 2nd, 2005, 19:16   #9
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I found that virtually all the 05 Passat TDI's with leather came with the 17's as well. I like the 16's myself for the ride, but the 17's look much better. Assuming that you do get the same mileage with the 17's, they need to be replaced more often and cost more when doing so, which is probably a more tangible cost to factor in. I'm amazed that people are able to get similar mileage in both. I don't know if the 17's weigh more, but they have more rolling resistance which likely affects mileage. The tradeoff, however, is better handling.

I doubt the dealer would give them to you for free. If you've already negotiated a price I doubt they would do anything more than meet you halfway, if that. Since they have already offered to swap, I wouldn't expect anything in the way of concessions since they have given you an option to get your preference.
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 19:26   #10
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Except he has to pay the mechanics the flat rate to swap tires, which he said was $120. The dealer might not give them free, but if the salesman wants to make money he has to sell. All of a sudden I think my trade in is going to be worth $350 more.
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 19:44   #11
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I wouldn't pay any attention to this supposed $120 fee. If you both agree to delete an option, it is up to the dealer to get it done. If he wants to stick you with that fee, well, then I'd try to negotiate the 17's since its not really a swap or option delete he is offering you.

Yeah, your trade-in could be adjusted to make up the difference, but if he's offering to swap he has pretty much given you the resolution already. I don't see any reason why he would negotiate the 17's with you after that. That was his whole point of offering the swap, to indicate you aren't getting the 17's if you don't pay for them and the wheels will not be a sticking point in the transation.

If he does the swap, I'd expect a full delete of the $400 MSRP for the wheels, or the $350 dealer cost if you have the total cost down somewhere near invoice. Swaping the wheels has to be one of the easiest swaps that can be done. Also, make sure they swap the spare as well since I believe they are different.
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 21:10   #12
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Consider this: MOST people with other cars right now are getting 17's...nearly every new Audi comes with 17's. My 04 had 15's on it and I opted for the 17's on my 05. It would be easier to get the 17's that come with the car (as the springs might be different from the factory as well) and then sell/trade them to Alchemy . Seriously, there are TONS of people that would buy those 17's from you. Also, they are wrapped in Michelins. $350 upgrade for 17's is SUPER CHEAP. Consider the cost of that alloy rim and then the (4) Michelins...it's probably a $1000 upgrade in itself for only $350. Finally, kudos to VW for finally giving us wheel size choices They've come a long way!!!
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 02:56   #13
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So with the kinds of tire pressures we run (10% under max on sidewall) they'd be harsher than 16?
The Passat is a heavier car than the Jetta/Golf and Beetle. The wheel base is longer on the Passat too. That translates into a much smoother ride from these advantage points on weight and wheel base.

You may transmit more road noise and more harshness from a lower profile tire 225/45-17 vs 205/55-16 ...but it will not transmit as much as found in the MKIV versions.

A 17 x 7.5 rim and a 225/45-17 tire vs a 16 x 6.5 rim and a 205/55-16 tire are huge in some small comparisons. The 205/55-16 tire has about 1/2 inch more side wall [4.4in] v [4.0in]. This translates into a more forgiving first contact shock absorbtion rate with road imperfections. Think of the 205/55-16 as an added buffer between you and the pavement while driving. Shocks will work less hard and unsprung weight of a lighter sized rim and tire combo [16"] will give comfort.

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In a car that only gets 27 city, 1-2 is a significant hit. I'm not going to go whipping around off ramps anyway, so don't need handling. we run (10% under max on sidewall) they'd be harsher than 16?
With a 17 x 7.5 rim you will have more weight obviously then a 16, but you will also have width and more road resistance on the bigger rim too. City mileage will perhaps be affected somewhat because of the rolling mass to accelerate on a heavier wheel/tire combo.

Other members brought up some excellent points. Replacement costs are very high on 225/45-17 tires. You can forget about putting snow tires on 17" rims. Tall and Thin is best for snow. A 225/45-17 tire in snow is like a sled. Factor in other rims/tires for winter driving.

Lastly, curbage and bad roads kill 17" rims that run a low profile tire. With only 4" of sidewall and the road quality in your parts ...I'd take the added sidewall height of 4.4" on the 205/55-16 in a blink. Especially in a heavier sedan.

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Old May 3rd, 2005, 06:27   #14
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Default Re: 16 or 17 inch wheels?

Take it out for a test drive, run the trip computer, see what kind of mileage the trip computer says. I ran a Passat GL down to Minneapolis on a dealer trade, ran a Passat GLS Wagon back, the mileage computer gave me a difference of 5 MPG. Now I know the wind could have been behind me on the way down, different fuel etc. But I think you'll take mileage hit. If he has another Passat TDI with 16's on the lot. Take 'em both out and compare.
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 07:30   #15
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I've got the 17's. I think you'll like the ride of the 16's better. It's just what came on mine. I didn't think about asking the dealer to swap them.
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