Yes, exactly. But when I was pointing out that the "development" cost isn't really a big deal as they claim to be, I got flak. Meanwhile, now you are saying "it's just a pulley".
So what is it? Some super complicated thing that needs tons of R&D to develop for an application, or as you now talk, just a pulley that can be used interchangeably from gas 1.8 to a TDI?
As Digital Corpus' disappointment shows, and your simple response of "just use a spacer" just shows how much marketing crap there is to say it has to be "developed" when in fact it is not that much more than "machining a pulley".
I'm all for new tech, but I am against techno hype.
Not sure where the hostility is coming from but I don't respect what I post as technical data being defuncted to "techno hype".
From the top in Layman's terms.
- If TDI owners want a TDI specific dampner engineered from the ground up it will need "tons of R&D" whether you think that is simple or not as it will take minimum 6 months based on the track record for the VR6 & 1.8T products brought to market.
This requires a vendor (us) purchasing every single TDI pulley available , sending all of them to Fluidampr and then Fluidampr designs a "basic" pulley where there is a common element amongst all (in this case the 4 hub bolt) then marketing a pulley for each specific application. Based on what I have here for the TDI's there are 4 different pulleys:
- MK3 AAZ/AFN TDI = 028 105 243 T
- MK4 ALH TDI = 038 105 243
- MK5 2.0 TDI = 03G 105 243
- MK6 2.0 CBEA TDI = 03G 105 243
- VW Camper 2.0 TDI (twin turbo) = 03L 105 243
(and I am sure more part #'s will arise)
That is 4 different parts so 4 projects that need to go through the R&D process. Fluidampr does not see a market for the TDI crowd which is where we came in. For the 2.0 TFSI & 1.8T crowd , they saw a market as it was as simple as pre final machining drilling 4 holes instead of 6 and vice versa.
My goal is this. Work with Fluidampr to NOT completely redesign a new pulley but to modify the current 1.8T offering to have a 6mm longer back hub and 2mm thicker mounting face. There is an MOQ of 50 units for this but they are at least willing to work with us on this front. This will allow us to cover most of the TDI motors with 15-20 minutes of machine work before they are sent out to be black zinc plated.
From reference the ALH pulley weighs
2118g whereas the Fluidampr unit weighs
2805g. They both have an OD (top of the rib) of 138mm.
Based on reviews by forum users (most recent done by Fouchest on his compound charged TDI) the 551201 Unit which was designed for the 1.8T works for most applications and here is how:
If you have the following:
028 105 243 T
This pulley has an OD of 148mm (so 10mm larger in diameter than the ALH unit) then you can use the Fluidampr 1.8T unit but you need a 6mm spacer. There is no 148mm OD pulley from Fluidampr and in order to get a 148mm unit , there is a MOQ of 50 so unless 50 AFN/AAZ/AHU users come forward and state they want a Fluidampr replacement for 028 105 243 T then it will not happen. Now using the 1.8T which others have done in the past , you will need a billet accessory drive for the v-belt portion of the power steering & water pump because the Fluidampr face is much thicker than the 028 105 243 T face.
038 105 243
As a forum user Serge pointed out , this pulley sits approx 1.6mm too close to the timing belt face compared to the Fluidampr. it is the same 138mm OD. This pulley falls into the 50 MOQ Custom units we are mentioning above. So if you own an ALH , we will machine off 6.1mm (1.6mm + 4.5mm) off the back mounting face) and will supply the necessary hardware for the pulley or we supply a 1.8T unit machined ~2mm off the rear face.
03G 105 243
If you have this pulley , then it follows the same as above 038 105 243
03L 105 243
This is the crafter pulley so you will need a drive for the secondary plane.
HTH
Issam