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Old November 12th, 2019, 11:48   #1
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Default At last - Jeep Wrangler Diesel for the Rich

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ange-and-price
https://autoweek.com/article/car-rev...article2-image
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/jeep...9F661AE6673B1D
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ad/2572648001/
https://www.dieselforum.org/recentne...great-about-it

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Old November 12th, 2019, 12:32   #2
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One more: https://jalopnik.com/americas-first-...uey-1839766068


Also, love the thread title.
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Old November 12th, 2019, 17:45   #3
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In terms of quality and reliability, does anybody really believe that this vehicle will be a departure from the rest of FCA products?
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Old November 12th, 2019, 21:57   #4
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In terms of quality and reliability, does anybody really believe that this vehicle will be a departure from the rest of FCA products?
I say NO. I expect it will be more of the same from FCA.

I welcome diesel vehicles from any and all manufacturers and I love the thread title.
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Old November 12th, 2019, 22:03   #5
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This has been a ďdreamĒ vehicle of sorts for me. I always planned on swapping a diesel into a Wrangler in the future. Not because of fuel benefits alone, I just think itís cool.

It has some very respectable numbers. The number of new diesel vehicles available is dwindling slowly, unfortunately. Wish it was offered in manual.

Iíll probably wait at least 2 years before getting one. 60k is too rich for my blood.
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Old November 13th, 2019, 09:58   #6
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60k is too rich for my blood.
I have the feeling that a lot of Jeep enthusiasts will also be disappointed by that figure. In my opinion, it is great that Jeep will offer this engine in all of the Wrangler's trims including the very basic one, but even in that version, the vehicle MSRP is only a few hundred dollars shy of 40k. As one of the articles listed above points out, the diesel adds $6,500 to the price tag of a gasser in the same trim, which is a figure that will be all but impossible to recover over the lifetime of the vehicle on fuel cost savings. So, it remains to be seen how much interest there will be in this new power plant. Just for comparison, Toyota 4Runner in the SR5 trim and 4WD version can be had for about 37k. It would be a dream come true for the Toyota crowd if that company dropped a diesel in the 4Runner, but we all know that pigs will be flying and the hell will freeze over before that happens.
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Old November 13th, 2019, 10:17   #7
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I have the feeling that a lot of Jeep enthusiasts will also be disappointed by that figure. In my opinion, it is great that Jeep will offer this engine in all of the Wrangler's trims including the very basic one, but even in that version, the vehicle MSRP is only a few hundred dollars shy of 40k. As one of the articles listed above points out, the diesel adds $6,500 to the price tag of a gasser in the same trim, which is a figure that will be all but impossible to recover over the lifetime of the vehicle on fuel cost savings. So, it remains to be seen how much interest there will be in this new power plant. Just for comparison, Toyota 4Runner in the SR5 trim and 4WD version can be had for about 37k. It would be a dream come true for the Toyota crowd if that company dropped a diesel in the 4Runner, but we all know that pigs will be flying and the hell will freeze over before that happens.


I think the big draw will be from those that actually use their rigs for crawling. I agree that you definitely would not recover from fuel mileage alone. It is nice that you can get D44 with the diesel in any trim. Which as far as I know was only the rubicon before.
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Old November 13th, 2019, 10:52   #8
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I think the Jeep brand has almost become like Harley Davidson, where the prices have gotten so ridiculous that only the upper crust people can afford the "real" ones, and the mere peons get the lower end "fake" ones. $60k is a LOT of money for something that, let's be completely honest, is not at all practical for almost anyone's real daily or occasional needs. It is a total "want" type of vehicle (and you can count me in the "want" crowd).

Wrangler for the Rich is a good way to put it. And I thought my $28k Passat was a huge pill to swallow 15 years ago. And my wife really wanted a Wrangler back then, too, but practicality came to bear. Wranglers started around $18k back then, too. Topped out I think they were only around $30k. It is tough to grasp the prices of them now, even though I know the older ones did not have nearly as many gadgets and gizmos and were limited to just the smaller 2dr variety.

And what is it with this slushbox only crap? Wranglers with 2 pedals are like Miatas with 2 pedals: vomitworthy.
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And what is it with this slushbox only crap? Wranglers with 2 pedals are like Miatas with 2 pedals: vomitworthy.
I know guys who wheel stick-shift rigs, but I find two pedals plenty to deal with when I'm negotiating an obstacle and trying to manage some or all of the following at the same time:

1. Steering/Wheel placement to avoid getting bound up and breaking something/getting stuck
2. Moving forward/back as needed
3. Following spotter direction

Add in a situation where I'm tilted in either the front/rear or left/right axis while doing this (sometimes both), and I frankly prefer not having that third pedal in the mix.

I have no qualms about stick on the road (I can and have done it, but don't currently own any stick-based vehicles), but I'm quite content with my automatic-equipped Jeep.

Having an automatic option in the Wranglers is NOT a Bad Thing(TM).
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I agree. Except, it isn't an option.
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Old November 13th, 2019, 18:06   #11
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Yikes, 60k. Jeep has transitioned from AMC to AMG.
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Old November 13th, 2019, 19:44   #12
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I don't think the price is an obstacle, but I also don't think they'll sell a lot of diesel Wranglers. Most Jeep buyers around here (and there are a lot of them) are 40 something women who want a break from the SUVs they've been driving since their kids were in car seats. If you're coming out of a 50K Infiniti or Lexus the Jeep price isn't a problem. But the same drivers don't know how many cylinders the engine has. No interest in drivetrains. Just want to fold the top back and drive it on the beach. Once.
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Old November 13th, 2019, 20:07   #13
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I don't think the price is an obstacle, but I also don't think they'll sell a lot of diesel Wranglers. Most Jeep buyers around here (and there are a lot of them) are 40 something women who want a break from the SUVs they've been driving since their kids were in car seats. If you're coming out of a 50K Infiniti or Lexus the Jeep price isn't a problem. But the same drivers don't know how many cylinders the engine has. No interest in drivetrains. Just want to fold the top back and drive it on the beach. Once.


Price definitely wonít be a stopping point for many. Most of the people I see driving them here in WI are that exact demographic. You can get them in the Sport trim too and then it will be around $40k.

I want a Wrangler for winters here in WI. I want the diesel because A. It has almost 500lbft, B. The mileage bonus, and C. Because itís just cooler. I will wait to buy used though.
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Old November 14th, 2019, 18:30   #14
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The increased price isn't that surprising when you consider all the extra nonsense they have to squeeze into that chassis.
  1. DEF tank and heater
  2. SCR Catalyst (I bet its so big and heavy that they couldn't fit it in the 2dr chassis and that's why they only make it available on the 4dr
  3. NOx and Intake Swirl Actuator Sensors
  4. EGR cooler (known failure point)
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I bet they bake some of the warranty costs into the sales price.
My buddy had the EcoDiesel in his Ram blow up under warranty.
The basic 3.6 with a 6MT (25mpg) will handle most situations you throw at it and there's plenty of supercharger kits out there if you need the extra newtonMeters.
The FE gains on the diesel motor (30mpg) aren't worth shelling out the money to upgrade. 20% increase in MPG isn't worth it.
  • Save your money
  • Buy a TJ
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I wonder if you could drop an old CJ body with a VIN onto a Mahindra Roxor chassis and be road legal.
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