Best turbo for 350/400HP 1.9 TDI PD

Turbo Z · Mar 23, 2017

Yucca please try them out, I can think of no better car that will show really how good this R2S and R3S can work, but still it is not that state of the art turbo they use so it can be done quite a lot better. I am not a big fan of BMW cars but I do like there performance diesel engines characteristics like 535d and 550D specially the new quad turbo.

I can say 600+Hp diesel with bottom response can be done but is for sure not cheep and takes more work then first come to your mind...

so I totally agree with you it is not for beginners to start putting turbochargers together..

BR

DCautosport · Mar 23, 2017

Turbo Z said:
Yucca please try them out, I can think of no better car that will show really how good this R2S and R3S can work, but still it is not that state of the art turbo they use so it can be done quite a lot better. I am not a big fan of BMW cars but I do like there performance diesel engines characteristics like 535d and 550D specially the new quad turbo.

I can say 600+Hp diesel with bottom response can be done but is for sure not cheep and takes more work then first come to your mind...

so I totally agree with you it is not for beginners to start putting turbochargers together..

BR

I really like this idea ... or r2s turbo or turbo bw S200V .... the 2 ideas seem to me quite good !!! But I think that the R2s turbos will not handle 3 bars of turbo pressure ... and from what they say here in the forum these BW S200V are able to do without problems 4 bars of turbo pressure

... that would be a monstrosity. .. allied to a injector nozzles of 160% or 180% would surely be something very strong for sure ......

Yucca · Mar 23, 2017

Compond turbos is not new idea in finnish 1.9TDI scene. We have had compounds before this "big VNT" -thing. Big VNT like S356V, S200V hybrids, GTB3576KLNRV etc...

[486] · Mar 23, 2017

Yucca said:
Those setups are also too hard to build by beginners.

well
Anything relating to 200hp/liter out of a lightly built diesel is not easy for beginners.

if anything I'd say cutting the valve reliefs to fit a camshaft that'll spool a big single is a bit more involved than sizing compounds
manifolds and plumbing is just that, it's easier to look professional if you can tig aluminum, but if you can't then just use old exhaust pipe and MIG

Macradiators.com · Mar 24, 2017

Waiting for the Fins to see what way they go for the biturbo setup.

Is this a bad idea? The setup from 313 bitdi

mrchill · Mar 24, 2017

That one is nice...but still not very compact. There are a couple that are more compact...but still need fab work.

Turbo Z · Mar 24, 2017

Macradiators.com said:
Waiting for the Fins to see what way they go for the biturbo setup.

Is this a bad idea? The setup from 313 bitdi

since it come from a V6 engine fitting to I engine will not be optimal regarding place, special in a small car.
Do you know Indusor and exdusor size for LP HP compressor and turbine?

R2S turbo from 535D is skit turbo 286HP, HP shaft breaks easy, and not special impressive when you very often hear BZZZ sound of imbalance probably from LP turbo, just to a have a bunch of them.

There are R2S system that can generate well over 3 bars of boost even 4 bars as standard depending where it come from. even titanium wheels exist and ballbearing as well.

Boyka · Mar 25, 2017

It must be impressive to mount the bitdi turbos in a 1.9 pd

DCautosport · Mar 25, 2017

Boyka said:
It must be impressive to mount the bitdi turbos in a 1.9 pd

I totally agree

... it should be awesome and difficult ....

BigTurboAlh · Mar 25, 2017

I run a 56mm holset on my car don't know hp yet but video in my sig

DCautosport · Mar 25, 2017

BigTurboAlh said:
I run a 56mm holset on my car don't know hp yet but video in my sig

But tell me ... holset NOT a turbo with vnt ... am I right ???
How do they get it to work fine, and open in a tdi engine ??
To open a turbo of these, it takes many exhaust gases, impossible to reach in 1.9 tdi or am I wrong ???
Here everyone only uses turbos with vnt ...

BigTurboAlh · Mar 25, 2017

It's non vnt and everyone thinks it's impossible but it's way easier than using a vnt. Less moving parts to fail. And most people say you'll never be able to stay on top of them. You just gotta know how to drive. I have a stock one I drive everyday for mileage and my holset makes it up hills easier.

Macradiators.com · Mar 26, 2017

I would be ashamed to go around with that much smoke.

Macradiators.com · Mar 26, 2017

I would be ashamed to go around with that much smoke.

DCautosport · Mar 26, 2017

BigTurboAlh said:
It's non vnt and everyone thinks it's impossible but it's way easier than using a vnt. Less moving parts to fail. And most people say you'll never be able to stay on top of them. You just gotta know how to drive. I have a stock one I drive everyday for mileage and my holset makes it up hills easier.

Seriously???

How is that possible? Or how can you do that ???

DCautosport · Mar 26, 2017

Macradiators.com said:
I would be ashamed to go around with that much smoke.

Ahahah...

Here in Portugal so it would be very embarrassed

.... all the diesel cars of people racing make a lot of smoke ... ahah

In the drag racing championship it's just smoke ...

Then we still have the cars prepared to do a lot of top speed ... that they all smoke too ... not so much but they also do a little ...

see... all cars here do this smoke.... ok... maybe a little less...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8SlTqxpLaM

Macradiators.com · Mar 26, 2017

Yes on the drag event, but for a daily driver is just lack of common sense imo.
I think many tuners should learn how to make less smoke and be proud of an almost smokeless tune.
But maybe im just crazy asking too much.

[486] · Mar 26, 2017

ehhhh

going to have lots of white smoke when warming up from lowered compression, unavoidable, and the black can be curtailed but you can gain a significant amount of scoot going from a clean burning AFR to a moderately smoky one, not to mention how quick and early it'll spool

you get over looking like a douche brodozer, over time

Turbo Z · Mar 26, 2017

Macradiators.com said:
Yes on the drag event, but for a daily driver is just lack of common sense imo.
I think many tuners should learn how to make less smoke and be proud of an almost smokeless tune.
But maybe im just crazy asking too much.

Totally agree with you!

Yucca · Mar 27, 2017

S200V for sale: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=5255966

Johnny10bx · Mar 27, 2017

I want to sell a new Bw S300v . If someone is interested ...

jabcok20 · Mar 27, 2017

I got GTB3576klnrv 53mm full power from 3500-3700 on 3rd gear. On hy35 what rpm full power (3rd gear ).

mk1-83 · Mar 27, 2017

no surge ?

Yucca · Mar 27, 2017

MikkoP tested S356V surge limit with 1.9TDI ALH. 3.6bar and 3400rpm without surge.

TeroP tested GTB3576KLNR (50mm version) surge limit with 1.9TDI PD, 3bar and 2700rpm without surge.

Those numbers need very good ported head and right cam for setup.

TDIMeister · Mar 28, 2017

Either would be a better match within a 2-stage setup. The kind of power level targeted in a 1.9 TDI pretty much demands it so that you won't have a 1000-2000 RPM powerband.

diffas · Mar 28, 2017

Sure in rev range 1000-2000rpm is good to have trancient on daily driven. But usually its sacrificed to have high power on high revs. Having good power from 2500 to 6000rpm makes you forgot lower revs.

mk1-83 · Mar 28, 2017

im bussy with amr500 compressor for low rpm its drive by magnet clucth airco, dynamo with long axle one side the altenarot belt and orther side the clucht control by EGR map so can switch off and on at rpm-mg

amr500 and s200v

TDIMeister · Mar 28, 2017

diffas said:
Sure in rev range 1000-2000rpm is good to have trancient on daily driven. But usually its sacrificed to have high power on high revs. Having good power from 2500 to 6000rpm makes you forgot lower revs.

I am not talking about 1000-2000rpm as absolute values, I'm taking about the useful powerband range from surge limited max boost pressure to peak power RPM, eg 3700-4700=1000, 3400-5400=2000.

I have not seen any 8V PDs make big power at 6000 RPM. By this I mean not exhibit an HP drop off starting at 4500-4700 RPM. If I have missed this - if anyone it's the Finns who would have achieved it - let's please see some dynos.

diffas · Mar 28, 2017

I think TeroP had high reving PD, dont't have the dynosheet to give atm. Atleast past 5500 it was revving fine. It's about how fast max. HP is dropping. If you have 350hp @ 4500rpm and 340 @ 5500rpm, thats not bad even the curve is going down. I wouldn't call 1.9pd widebanded as stock, not far from 2000rpm.

Yucca · Mar 28, 2017

TDIMeister said:
Either would be a better match within a 2-stage setup. The kind of power level targeted in a 1.9 TDI pretty much demands it so that you won't have a 1000-2000 RPM powerband.

We dont have latest 379bhp dyno sheet but we have first dyno sheet after engine build.

https://paalanen.otokset.fi/kuvat/300hv+koneprojekti/kasi.PNG

Approx >300bhp 3500-5500rpm

Best turbo for 350/400HP 1.9 TDI PD

Which turbo to choose for 400HP in the 1.9TDI PD

Garrett GT2359V (from Mercedes E320CDI)

Garrett GTB2260VK

Garrett GTB2260VKLR (Ball Bearing Turbo)

Garrett GTB2566VK

Borg Wagner S356

GTB3576KLNRV

Other? (Which One?)

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