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5th gear .681
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Rrusse11
Veteran Member
You got Buckley's chance (slim to none) of finding one.
Three options:
A: Live with what you got
B: .72 https://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-T4-1-9-...d=112367028010&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
C: .66 https://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-T5-1-9-...ash=item1a2998c72a:g:gwcAAOSw8oFX0Ctr&vxp=mtr
Three options:
A: Live with what you got
B: .72 https://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-T4-1-9-...d=112367028010&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
C: .66 https://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-T5-1-9-...ash=item1a2998c72a:g:gwcAAOSw8oFX0Ctr&vxp=mtr
Dixon8322
Member
Oh and for a limited time only
http://www.kermatdi.com/a4-658-5th-gear-conversion/
http://www.kermatdi.com/a4-658-5th-gear-conversion/
Lock_t
Veteran Member
anyone use these/have feedback on them? wondering if the quality is there thinking of doing the .66
Rrusse11
Veteran Member
Lock_t,
I've been running my .658 for about 10k now, zero problems, direct fit
according to the tech I had install it. Be aware that with my oversize tires at 2000rpm in 5th I'm doing 67mph. Depending on your power mods and turbo setup and driving venue, you may be downshifting on the highway. Lots of high speed freeway? Perfect IMO, it's a real overdrive.
In retrospect, as I find myself doing more towing than expected, a
.717 might have been a better choice. The .658 is tall, I'm doing a
100mph at 3000rpm, and not many opportunities to get the motor into its real power band in 5th.
If I was in Texas, where I believe speed limits can be as high as 80mph, it'd be perfect.
Do some research on this site trying different combos of ratios, tire sizes, et al. You'll have to find the coding on your gearbox to plug in.
http://johnmaherracing.com/calculators/gear-ratio-calculator/
Cheers,
R*2
Ps. I went with the Masiero Ebay offering, half the price, and as I said above, perfect fit, great quality.
I've been running my .658 for about 10k now, zero problems, direct fit
according to the tech I had install it. Be aware that with my oversize tires at 2000rpm in 5th I'm doing 67mph. Depending on your power mods and turbo setup and driving venue, you may be downshifting on the highway. Lots of high speed freeway? Perfect IMO, it's a real overdrive.
In retrospect, as I find myself doing more towing than expected, a
.717 might have been a better choice. The .658 is tall, I'm doing a
100mph at 3000rpm, and not many opportunities to get the motor into its real power band in 5th.
If I was in Texas, where I believe speed limits can be as high as 80mph, it'd be perfect.
Do some research on this site trying different combos of ratios, tire sizes, et al. You'll have to find the coding on your gearbox to plug in.
http://johnmaherracing.com/calculators/gear-ratio-calculator/
Cheers,
R*2
Ps. I went with the Masiero Ebay offering, half the price, and as I said above, perfect fit, great quality.
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Lock_t
Veteran Member
I have dlc520s pd150 manifold egr delete and RC stage 2 and sachs VR clutch coming in the foreseeable future and 215/45/17 tires. This is why I was thinking .66
Rrusse11
Veteran Member
Liten,
Do you want to be doing 65mph at 2000rpm, (.658), or
60mph at 2000rpm(.717)? Use the calculator and weigh
the options. Depends what kinds of roads you drive on,
and obviously, how fast. I haven't done it myself, but changing
5th is apparently not too bad a job with the tranny in the car.
I might do it just because I'm planning a big trip in the spring
with a teardrop camper.
With a load I'm revving out 4th to 3400rpm before shifting to keep the power on. And I'm really going a bit fast with a trailer.
So I'm in 4th a lot, particularly on the hills.
2600-3000rpm is a sweet spot IMO for the ALH, but not the best for
economy. Depends on your turbo too, the VNT 15 is spooling nicely
at 2000, my 17/22 starts kicking in a bit later.
Your Mileage WILL Vary
Do you want to be doing 65mph at 2000rpm, (.658), or
60mph at 2000rpm(.717)? Use the calculator and weigh
the options. Depends what kinds of roads you drive on,
and obviously, how fast. I haven't done it myself, but changing
5th is apparently not too bad a job with the tranny in the car.
I might do it just because I'm planning a big trip in the spring
with a teardrop camper.
With a load I'm revving out 4th to 3400rpm before shifting to keep the power on. And I'm really going a bit fast with a trailer.
So I'm in 4th a lot, particularly on the hills.
2600-3000rpm is a sweet spot IMO for the ALH, but not the best for
economy. Depends on your turbo too, the VNT 15 is spooling nicely
at 2000, my 17/22 starts kicking in a bit later.
Your Mileage WILL Vary
BleachedBora
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I go through .658's more than anything, and .622's are the next most popular. Probably 1:20 sets are .717. Even out west where we have real mountains a .658 is usually fine. Drive a DSG, it's sitting at 1500 RPM all the time. As long as you don't punch it you can putz around at 1500 without issues...
.658 is my gear of choice; .717 is too little of a drop and .622 makes it a bit of a big drop from 4th to 5th.
-BB
.658 is my gear of choice; .717 is too little of a drop and .622 makes it a bit of a big drop from 4th to 5th.
-BB
Intech
Veteran Member
Many years ago, on my first TDI, a 2001 Golf, I was doing a lot of highway driving, and expected to increase my MPG’s with the .681. As it turned out, if it went up by one mpg, it was a lot, because I didn’t notice anything above that.What I did like was that at highway cruising speed, it was quieter. The downside IMO, was that when I wasn’t working, and driving local roads etc., I was continually downshifting, which to me became a PITA. On my next TDI, my Jetta, I left the gearing stock, because I was averaging lower 50’s in MPG’s. after the items that were done to the car, including the Nokian tires, it jumped to the mid sixties, which I had a very hard time believing, but turned out to be accurate, due mainly to the tires. Now, with the Bridgestones back on, and stock gearing, I’m getting upper 50’s to low 60’s. No reason to change anything
GotEuroCorrado
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have had .658 on one of mine for years. rc stage 4, vnt1752 pushing 28psi, pp520, 11mm pump. side mount, pd150 intake and on and on...
.658 sucks. if you are ever in traffic that has you going to 60-65 mph you will br driving 4th. you end up using more fuel around town because you never make it to 5th. i dont recommend it to my customers unless they are on open road and in cruise at 80 for large parts of their drive.
.658 sucks. if you are ever in traffic that has you going to 60-65 mph you will br driving 4th. you end up using more fuel around town because you never make it to 5th. i dont recommend it to my customers unless they are on open road and in cruise at 80 for large parts of their drive.
Rrusse11
Veteran Member
So I took my own advice, lol, just ordered a .717 5th.
With my 17/22 and now a 24psi tune, albeit a bit underfueled
with my current nozzles, I'm looking for more power a bit
slower. Should be ~62mph at 2000rpm, a 5mph drop over the .658.
For high speed freeway passing, I'll have better response at 70-75.
It should be more comfortable cruising on secondary roads.
Theoretically now it'll "only" be a 139mph car at 4500rpm.
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With my 17/22 and now a 24psi tune, albeit a bit underfueled
with my current nozzles, I'm looking for more power a bit
slower. Should be ~62mph at 2000rpm, a 5mph drop over the .658.
For high speed freeway passing, I'll have better response at 70-75.
It should be more comfortable cruising on secondary roads.
Theoretically now it'll "only" be a 139mph car at 4500rpm.
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)Intech
Veteran Member
I fully agree with you. A friend of mine, from Dallas, told me that unless you’re planning on cruising at 70+ mph for long periods of time, as he does, keep it stock, or don’t go higher than .681. He runs .658 in one car and stock in the other.
Rrusse11
Veteran Member
Note the three of us who aren't happy with the .658 are all running
hybrid turbos. Like me, I believe Intech has a 17/22. Before I upgraded mine, the VNT15 was a better option due to it's spooling lower down in the rpm range. No regrets BTW, the bigger turbo has a LOT more power, but the downside is it's moved the power band up in the rev range.
Switching to a .717 I'll pickup ~ 200rpm more on the shift 4th>5th at 70mph. Which, although it doesn't sound like much, will make all the difference to the turbo spooling/boost curve.
Cheers,
R*2
hybrid turbos. Like me, I believe Intech has a 17/22. Before I upgraded mine, the VNT15 was a better option due to it's spooling lower down in the rpm range. No regrets BTW, the bigger turbo has a LOT more power, but the downside is it's moved the power band up in the rev range.
Switching to a .717 I'll pickup ~ 200rpm more on the shift 4th>5th at 70mph. Which, although it doesn't sound like much, will make all the difference to the turbo spooling/boost curve.
Cheers,
R*2
dirtride
Veteran Member
I'm running a .717 and VNT-15, couldn't agree more with this.
Going to see how the .717 works with the S7 turbo next year....
MrAust1n
New member
I realize this is a bit of a throwback but if anyone here happens to have their stock 5th (.756), I'm in desperate need. I purchased an ALH and 02J recently and discovered 5th needs replacing. No new ratio, nothing fancy, just stock is all I need.
Anyone?
Anyone?
dirtride
Veteran Member
I may have what you need, I'll check.
Nuje
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I have one out in the garage that I keep meaning to put on Vortex to see if any of the Mk4 gasser guys are interested.
Let me know if you want it.
Let me know if you want it.
MAXRPM
Veteran Member
I love my .658 5th, i got everything pretty much dialed in, i got passat R&P, 3.16 in my alh jetta, i upgraded 4th gear so it wouldn't have a big gap between 4th and 5th,, LSD, all gears cryod and WPC, and most of all my turbo a quick spooling no lag spools like vnt15, GTD1756vrk, plus a great tune, I did the math before putting my tranny together it is paying its dividend.
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Moesauction!
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i have a stock set of 5th gear and a 681 set new for sale.
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