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Old October 9th, 2019, 04:45   #301
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Correct, buyback NMS manual cars cannot be re-sold. Sad. But if owners kept them they can re-sell them.
My brother and his wife had a 6-speed manual Passat TDI. They really liked it, but since Volkswagen couldn’t fix it they’re now in a maxed out dealer model. They’re happy enough with it, but like me their next car will be a Tesla. ICE engines are so yesterday.
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Old October 9th, 2019, 10:17   #302
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So, is VW ever bringing back any diesel cars to Amerika?
No one has any idea. It would seem logical to say no, never, but if fuel prices go through the roof, if emissions regs relax, if new regs on gasoline cars make them less competitive...there are any number of scenarios that might compel VW to bring them back. But most likely not before they do their penance by making a bunch of electric cars.
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Old October 9th, 2019, 11:47   #303
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We won't see new VW diesels as long as there is still a large stock of fixed diesels on the used market.
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Old October 9th, 2019, 12:10   #304
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We won't see new VW diesels as long as there is still a large stock of fixed diesels on the used market.
And that may be part of why they are in no rush to bring any new ones here.

But there is no reason that they "can't". They will just be subjected to a little more thorough testing than before, same as everyone else is now.
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ICE engines are so yesterday.
For some applications. I drove my Wagon 2600 miles over the past 5 days. Would have taken me 50% longer in a Tesla. When electrics have a 1200 mile range so you don't have to charge during the day on a road trip, then I'd consider one.
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I have said it before, and I maybe wrong, but I quoted an off the record statement from corporate source that part of VW settlement with Feds was they would not bring any more diesels to US.

But then I think current emissions limits and added cost/loss of MPG in diesel cars means there isn't a good business case for TDI cars right now. Add in the big push to electric and the high MPG of newer gas cars and I just don't see VW bringing any TDI cars over.

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For some applications. I drove my Wagon 2600 miles over the past 5 days. Would have taken me 50% longer in a Tesla. When electrics have a 1200 mile range so you don't have to charge during the day on a road trip, then I'd consider one.
If you have to stop on your road trip to 'refuel' an electric car, how long does that take? Or is that why you said it would take 50% longer?
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Yes. I've planned that trip with a Tesla on their app. It's an 18 hour drive end to end, and the Tesla would need 6-7 hours charging time. Assuming it's not too hot or cold. Much more in winter. If I drive it straight through in my Wagon I have to fill once, usually around Cleveland on the way out, or in PA on the way back. 15 min tops.
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Old October 9th, 2019, 21:28   #309
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My brother and his wife had a 6-speed manual Passat TDI. They really liked it, but since Volkswagen couldn’t fix it they’re now in a maxed out dealer model. They’re happy enough with it, but like me their next car will be a Tesla. ICE engines are so yesterday.
ICE engines, and specially gasoline ICE engines, will be hard to get rid of at current fuel prices in the US.

United States has probably one of the least expensive costs of hydrocarbon fuels in the industrialized world.

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I have said it before, and I maybe wrong, but I quoted an off the record statement from corporate source that part of VW settlement with Feds was they would not bring any more diesels to US.

But then I think current emissions limits and added cost/loss of MPG in diesel cars means there isn't a good business case for TDI cars right now. Add in the big push to electric and the high MPG of newer gas cars and I just don't see VW bringing any TDI cars over.

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1) On the average, what is the premium (in %) to pay for a light duty diesel vehicle vs the similar gasoline powered counterpart?
2) On the average, what is the premium (in %) to pay for a hybrid gasoline vehicle vs the similar gasoline powered counterpart?
3) On the average, what is the premium (in %) to pay for a electrical vehicle vs the similar gasoline powered counterpart?

Based on the above, and considering the current price of gasoline in the US would you see any substantial growth in the "USA EV sales up to 2.5% of total market" (source 55) or light duty diesel for that matter?
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ICE engines will be around for a while longer. No doubt! But range and how you charge them will change the automotive landscape very quickly. It already has! But wait until the induction charging means cordless auto charging every time you come home, and Maxwell batteries extend range even into TDI territory.

Existing ICE engines don’t count. They’re already out there, but moving forward ICE engines are beginning to look like horse drawn buggies.
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1) On the average, what is the premium (in %) to pay for a light duty diesel vehicle vs the similar gasoline powered counterpart?
2) On the average, what is the premium (in %) to pay for a hybrid gasoline vehicle vs the similar gasoline powered counterpart?
3) On the average, what is the premium (in %) to pay for a electrical vehicle vs the similar gasoline powered counterpart?

Based on the above, and considering the current price of gasoline in the US would you see any substantial growth in the "USA EV sales up to 2.5% of total market" (source 55) or light duty diesel for that matter?
Based on what's in my driveway or things that we are talking about:
Upcharge for diesel over gas on my Ram was around 11%.
Upcharge for hybrid for a RAv4 is around 9% and 18% for the Highlander. Those may not make it to my driveway if my wife retires at the end of this school year. She won't need an economical commuter anymore and can use the JSW until the wheels fall off.
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ICE engines aren't "going anywhere" until electrics can replace turbines.
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ICE engines aren't "going anywhere" until electrics can replace turbines.
I saw where the FFA will be assisting in testing an all electric small aircraft for commercial travel this week. Looks like it's probably in the range of a 6-8 seater. Something like 12 motors though. Can't find the link right now, but I'll keep digging.
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ICE engines aren't "going anywhere" until electrics can replace turbines.
In airplanes? They don't use ICE, as we know them, now. They are more accurately continuous combustion engines.

As far as electric replacing turbines - most turbo fans mainly produce thrust from then large fan blade run by the jet engine, not the thrust from the engine itself. Replace the engine with a electric motor.

Bigger issue is energy storage to power the motor. Fuel cells, batteries, ??? But there have been advancements that allow couple hour flights most recently in personal/commuter jet size craft.

I think they are close to something viable, but the next hurdle is fleet turn over and cost of turn over.

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