Yes, manual my badI assume you mean a manual transmission.
If this were a 2003 model, then I would expect a 5 speed. Being a 2013 model, GM would be a typical load of fail if they didn't have a 6 speed as the manual transmission option.
I have to laugh at some of the posts in that link. "50 MPG is a game changer". Really? So the cars we've already had available capable of that were what exactly? Don't remember much game changing back in the '70s, or '80s, or '90s, so why exactly can we expect it to change today? Last I checked, the F150 and Silverado still outsell anything that gets 30 MPG let alone 50.
Would it be so bad if you owned it for 5 years after paying off? The one nice thing about buying used is that no one else had the chance to screw it up (missing OCI's, TB's, etc).I guess I am just cheap as I cannot in any way stomach cars with 20K+ price tags. Just does not seem like any car is worth that kind of cake. $200 bucks a month over 4 years is all I want to spend for a car/truck. Guess I live in a fantasy world and will continue buying used cars.
Paying $400+ per month+fuel+insurance+maintainance will =$600-700 per month to own for 5 years
Even if it was cheaper than a vw, the build quality will still be that of Government Motors. A pile of rubbishThanks for the link. read the whole thread not too much optimism from the posters.
Found a link posted there on Cruze models and it does not look like the diesel model will be available with a manual
Also, with the base MSRP #'s the price looks like it will be no better than the VW once a couple of options are thrown on it.
I guess I am just cheap as I cannot in any way stomach cars with 20K+ price tags. Just does not seem like any car is worth that kind of cake. $200 bucks a month over 4 years is all I want to spend for a car/truck. Guess I live in a fantasy world and will continue buying used cars.
Paying $400+ per month+fuel+insurance+maintainance will =$600-700 per month to own for 5 years
Have you seen one recently? Not much different in terms of quality than the 2012 jetta...Even if it was cheaper than a vw, the build quality will still be that of Government Motors. A pile of rubbish
I look for them to be in limited supply for at least through mid model year 2014. All other things, I agree with you. In order for other car companies to see the US as a viable market for diesels, we need the Cruze diesel to be a success.Let's just hope for the best: that these cars DO actually materialize, and that they don't suck, and they sell in great numbers AND that GM actually is able to build them to keep up demand, and not have some lame "20% alotment" on them while offering people $5000 cash to take home a gasser version while jacking the price of the diesels up an extra $2k "just because". Sound familiar?
Last hint I saw was as a 2014.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121011/AUTO0103/210110352#ixzz290It9h9YChevrolet will introduce 13 all-new or significantly updated models during 2013 in what one executive calls a "big year" for the General Motors Co. brand.
"A couple … will be complete surprises, which we're thrilled about," Mike Albano, head of Chevrolet communications, said during a media briefing Wednesday.
Among vehicles Chevy is counting are the all-new 2014 Silverado pickup, Silverado HD pickup, Tahoe and Suburban SUVs, all-new 2014 Impala sedan, Spark battery-electric vehicle, 2013 Cruze diesel, 2013 Sonic RS, 2014 SS performance sedan, refreshed 2013 Traverse SUV and 2013 Equinox with a new V-6.
If you look at the mileage comparison between the Jetta and Passat, it seems that using Urea will give better mileage. Also implies that the cruze will be heavier than the jetta and probably closer to the passat, so it has to use urea instead of just the dpf.From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121011/AUTO0103/210110352#ixzz290It9h9Y
Disappointed it will require urea, happy to see another diesel offering, wondering if GM will do more harm than good?
If you look at the mileage comparison between the Jetta and Passat, it seems that using Urea will give better mileage. Also implies that the cruze will be heavier than the jetta and probably closer to the passat, so it has to use urea instead of just the dpf.
Not good. Maybe they are driving 110 mph on the Autobahn.Just have a look on a fuel economy logging website in a market where the Cruze diesel is available:
Euro Cruze automatic average real-life logged fuel economy: 29.3 mpg
http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overv...?fueltype=1&power_s=160&gearing=2&powerunit=2
Euro Cruze manual average real-life logged fuel economy: 34.7 mpg
http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overv...?fueltype=1&power_s=160&gearing=1&powerunit=2
The average for 2010-2012 Golf TDI DSGs is 6.3 l/100km (37.3 mpg) http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overv...power_s=140&power_e=140&gearing=4&powerunit=229.14 is reported mpg for a Golf 2.0 diesel with DSG on the same site.
Pretty hard to argue for the diesel version when the gas version can do about as well and gas is significantly cheaper than diesel in the US. This doen't bode well for sales of the diesel Cruze in the US.Just have a look on a fuel economy logging website in a market where the Cruze diesel is available:
Euro Cruze automatic average real-life logged fuel economy: 29.3 mpg
http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overv...?fueltype=1&power_s=160&gearing=2&powerunit=2
Euro Cruze manual average real-life logged fuel economy: 34.7 mpg
http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overv...?fueltype=1&power_s=160&gearing=1&powerunit=2
Pretty hard to argue for the diesel version when the gas version can do about as well and gas is significantly cheaper than diesel in the US. This doen't bode well for sales of the diesel Cruze in the US.
Very strange. I'm getting 36.4 with my 2012 Cruze 6m 2LT RS and that's mainly backroads.yes, but consider that the gasser version got a pathetic 25mpg, the diesel version looks pretty good
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2011-chevrolet-cruze-ltz-test-chevy-cruze-review
Also average was an observed 25 mpg, a little disappointing for such a midget engine. As we mentioned, the little Ecotec, at least under our whip, spent an awful lot of time zinging—and thus drinking.
Not exactly. The 1.8 non turbo has a belt, while the 1.4 turbo has a chain.Was at an ASE workshop last week, GM guy was there and he insists the Cruze diesel, along with the Cadillac ATS and the new Trailblazer will be in our showrooms for the 2013 MY. I informed him that the 2013 MY cars have been in showrooms since about August, but he still stuck to his guns.
We'll see...
(good news is, the Cruze's engine uses a BELT!).
I took OH's statement to mean the diesel has a belt.Not exactly. The 1.8 non turbo has a belt, while the 1.4 turbo has a chain.
Correct. I saw pictures even, LOL! Still, not holding my breath.I took OH's statement to mean the diesel has a belt.