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Old January 21st, 2018, 11:43   #31
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We can piss into the wind all we like, but electrification of the auto fleet is coming. They will cheaper, cleaner, and safer. As much as I enjoy my piston powered stuff, I don't feel threatened by electric vehicles. The whole "coal argument" gets more stale as those ancient powerplants get decommissioned and replaced with cleaner alternatives. I assume unicorn farts are primarily methane- so yes, that is an option .
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Old January 21st, 2018, 12:04   #32
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We can piss into the wind all we like, but electrification of the auto fleet is coming. They will cheaper, cleaner, and safer. As much as I enjoy my piston powered stuff, I don't feel threatened by electric vehicles. The whole "coal argument" gets more stale as those ancient powerplants get decommissioned and replaced with cleaner alternatives. I assume unicorn farts are primarily methane- so yes, that is an option .
I don’t feel threatened by electric at all. Once they have decent range, I’ll gladly drive one. I did two road trips last year of approximately 2,000 miles each with a few days of driving over 500 miles in a day, so those low range cars wouldn’t work.

I think electric could solve this if they went to a uniform battery and battery exchanges where you can get you in and out in five minutes.

But for now, 220 mile range and sitting around for hours waiting on a charge just won’t work for me. I’ll let the beta testers get a worthy car on the road for me in a couple of decades hopefully.
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Old January 21st, 2018, 12:56   #33
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I'm driving 2200 miles from Maine to Texas starting tomorrow morning. I generally do 900 miles the first two days and 400 on the third day. The tdi is fantastic for long road trips, no doubt about it. In five years time(when I'll probably be thinking about a new car), I expect there will be EV options that are nearly as convenient for most road tripping.
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Old January 21st, 2018, 19:09   #34
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We can piss into the wind all we like, but electrification of the auto fleet is coming. They will cheaper, cleaner, and safer. As much as I enjoy my piston powered stuff, I don't feel threatened by electric vehicles. The whole "coal argument" gets more stale as those ancient powerplants get decommissioned and replaced with cleaner alternatives. I assume unicorn farts are primarily methane- so yes, that is an option .
Great, we are on the same page. No need to create false dichotomies of electric vs TDI or light duty diesel. Light duty diesel cars are such a minority in the US and for an ICE they are much better overall (environment + performance) than a gasoline or a gasoline-hybrid car. Light duty diesel is the 'bridge technology' needed to make the transition to EVs in the mid-term.

Many cities in the US still have air pollution problems (see the Lung Association website and others) but have such a small percentage of light duty diesel cars. The problem: gasoline cars (mostly SUVs and trucks) that emit all kinds of pollutants (such as VOCs and other bad stuff) and are very inefficient (20 to 30 percent worse than a comparable light duty diesel vehicle.

At least GM is bringing to the dealers the Equinox and Terrain with a turbocharged diesel engine getting in the mid to high 30's MPG. There is some hope to help the environment with a family car that Americans might consider buying instead of something that gets less than 30 MPG (most SUVs out there).
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Old January 21st, 2018, 20:12   #35
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if they could "standardize" the electric vehicle battery pack so that they could be swapped out in under 5 minutes (the time to fill up a fuel tank) then maybe they can be practical
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Have they learned how to run an electric power plant on unicorn farts yet, or are they still using coal?
We charge our Fiat with power made from methane sucked out of the landfill a few miles away...

Also, why would you want to swap the whole battery pack when recharging it only takes 15 minutes? (Tesla can do that today)

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We charge our Fiat with power made from methane sucked out of the landfill a few miles away...
Also, why would you want to swap the whole battery pack when recharging it only takes 15 minutes? (Tesla can do that today)
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Sure, if you happen to meticulously plan a route to line up with their supercharging stations and are satisfied with partial charges.

Hey, I’m all for electric, but it’s feasibility is a long way off for people who don’t live in urban bubbles like NOVA.
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I would be more than happy to go electric. Unfortunately I don't live in the US and when there often drive 250 miles per day with several 1,000 mile days. But if I had a 'normal' life with a daily commute I would definitely have an EV. More power, better economy than a TDI, quiet, few moving parts. Love it.

But for now the Jetta does what I need. I wish my needs were different though. I like moving towards the future, and relying on dead dinos is the past.

Funny that a major criticism of the Tesla is that it's a luxury car you can't drive from LA to San Francisco on a charge, yet when I drive the I-5 i rarely see a newer Merc or BMW there, more like beaters and rentacars.

Haters. If they can't have it they gotta pretend they don't want it. For the vast majority of the people who live in cities EVs are the answer. It's just a matter of time. All the horses in NYC didn't disappear when the first curved dash Olds wobbled its way downtown, but disappear they did.
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