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Premium API CJ-4 Diesel Oil (DEO) 100 28.25%
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Old August 25th, 2006, 11:32   #181
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The issue with Amsoil (in general) is that Amsoil themselves say that it meets or exceeds whatever standard you are talking about (505.01 in this case), but they have not gone through with the actual approval process to INDEPENDENTLY CERTIFY that it meets that standard.

VW publishes a list of oils that VW has approved against the 505.01 standard. There is no Amsoil oil to be found on that list.

That is different from saying the stuff is no good. But what it means is that IF something lubrication-related goes wrong, VW is not going to support warranty coverage on the grounds that you did not use oil that was officially approved to the 505.01 standard. Which means, you are going to have a battle on your hands.

There's the info the way I see it. Now it's your choice.
But AMSOIL WILL either warranty the engine on its own, or do the battle for you with VW to get it warrantied
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Old August 25th, 2006, 14:11   #182
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C'mon guys, cut all the crap. He asked a specific question about Amsoil 3000 and not for your views on using 505.01 oil or having it changed at the dealer or the warranty. Lets stay focused here and not turn this into a million post thread filled with nothing but opinions. A simple no would suffice.
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Old August 25th, 2006, 14:23   #183
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So no you cannot use Amsoil 3000.
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Old September 22nd, 2006, 06:30   #184
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Default Amsoil 5w-40, CJ-4

Spoke to Amsoil tech services about this product, due out on 1 October. Looks like pricing will be the same as their 5w-40/VW 505.01, European oil, or a bit less than Delvac 1. Product will be available in quarts, gallons and 2.5 Gallon jugs.

This would be a better choice for older (non-PD) TDI's than the European 5w-40, since it's about 15% thicker in terms of high temp, high shear viscosity and it has higher levels of AW additives (zinc/phosphorus).

This should be a CJ-4/SM rated formulation, it can also be used in all modern gas engines if you'd like to simplify your life...

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Old September 22nd, 2006, 08:04   #185
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What about running it in PDs? I'm using the european formula now, and the UOA have been less than optimal.
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Old September 22nd, 2006, 08:24   #186
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Those less than optimal UOA's on AFL - are they posted. What was the milage, 5k 10k.

AMSOIL has two different 5W40 ?.
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Old September 22nd, 2006, 09:17   #187
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The additive chemistry is a variation of what Amsoil is using in their VW 505.01 oil. I don't think there would be a problem running this new 5w-40 in the PD's, but it's not explicitly recommended for that application. I'd wait and see how it does in older TDI's and then decide. The fact that's it's significantly thicker than the 5w-40/AFL product should reduce valvetrain wear. Howeve this is still an 8 TBN formulation, so I wouldn't necessarily expect it to last longer in service.

Yes, Amsoil will have two different 5w-40 in about two weeks, but there is a lot of overlap with these two oils. The basestock blends and additive chemistry looks very similar to me. The CJ-4 stuff simply has a higher additive treat rate of the same chemistry as the VW 505.01 product. Of course the CJ-4 stuff does have to meet all the HD engine sequence tests, so from that respect it may be a superior formulation.

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Old September 23rd, 2006, 14:23   #188
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TS were you get this data - can we compare to AFL for oursleves.
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Old September 23rd, 2006, 15:24   #189
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Default AMSOIL CJ-4 5W-40 (DEO) Datasheet

Here's the pre-release datasheet for the new 5W-40 that will hit the streets on 1 Oct.



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Old September 23rd, 2006, 17:07   #190
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This would have been the best choice for my Lambardini - and I could use in my Kubota. Wish I had known, I would have waited to order this. Does look a tad thicker than AFL.
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Old September 24th, 2006, 11:03   #191
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TooSlick, do you sense any 'resistance' toward the CJ-4 rated motor oils? Or, to put it another way, do you believe there will be any hoarding of CI-4 and CI-4 Plus oils?
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Old September 24th, 2006, 13:23   #192
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This would be a better choice for older (non-PD) TDI's than the European 5w-40, since it's about 15% thicker in terms of high temp, high shear viscosity and it has higher levels of AW additives (zinc/phosphorus).

A couple of questions if you don't mind. Firstly please define what year range you consider older, does my 2000 ALH fall into this range? Do you also feel this is a better choice then the VW spec oils 506.01 and 507.00 that are 0w-30 and 5w-30? Lastly, can you tell me whether Amsoil makes its own base stock, if not from whom does it purchase?
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Old September 25th, 2006, 15:09   #193
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Default synthetic 10w-30 amsoil?

anybody use this, i bought a case because my lifters started tapping and was going to put thicker sythetic in there? anybody use it or like it?
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Old September 25th, 2006, 15:51   #194
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Wrong oil and the fact is the 10w30 flows WORSE than ANY 5w40!

DO NOT USE IT! Only use the Amsoil 5w40 AFL which is approved for the TDI motors.



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Old September 25th, 2006, 23:22   #195
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That's a graph of it at start up, I assume?
You could get away with using it with a preluber, but a preluber would probably solve your problem anyway. A 0W lube would be better.
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