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Old August 3rd, 2006, 16:27   #166
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Sorry cjmorrell, we're not permitted to discuss Volkswagen 505.01 approval here in regards to Amsoil.

Fred's member wjdell is correct regarding the Party Line:


Good luck figuring it all out and again, sorry about not being able to discuss this product freely.

I don't know where you came up with this. There is an open thread here that goes into painful detail on Amsoil and VW's 505.01 spec.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=137104

Your statements are outright distortion. What is not allowed in Amsoil threads is giving you free rein to troll, abuse, flame, attack, post FUD tactics, etc, what you usually do.

There is no shame in not participating in an Amsoil thread if your goal is to not contribute positively.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 16:38   #167
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It may well be, however it is not a major brand doing business in its sector. Its just a brand without credibility from VW.

Neither is SuperMicro - but you do not believe for a minute the a 400 Dell has a SuperMicro board

On the other hand some of their top end multi processor servers are SuperMicro boards - They do not say - Dell asian dodo
Dell SuperMicro - on the front

don't get me wrong I like you Frank we just have a difference in opinon. I think Shell is a better company than Mobil Shell labs are second to none. I use all Mobil Shell Amsoil
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 17:17   #168
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Neither is SuperMicro - but you do not believe for a minute the a 400 Dell has a SuperMicro board

On the other hand some of their top end multi processor servers are SuperMicro boards - They do not say - Dell asian dodo
Dell SuperMicro - on the front

don't get me wrong I like you Frank we just have a difference in opinon. I think Shell is a better company than Mobil Shell labs are second to none. I use all Mobil Shell Amsoil
I have been around the service business for along time. Have had people sell me parts that were made by "so and so" the same name that everyone recognizes and uses.

I got burned just a few times until I realized that "so and so" has to dump their rejects somewhere. They had a higher failure rate and some didn't work at all right out of the box.
I don't buy anything that means something to me unless it is a brand name that is well known for quality. PERIOD

Its called reducing the odds of getting junk.
Not to say that everything is perfect, just if something goes haywire they will also stand behind it.

Rejects are a waste of time for any manufacturer or service person.
Pay the price, get the best quality product and charge accordingly. Customers deserve to get what they pay for, not rejects.

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Old August 3rd, 2006, 17:30   #169
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Frank, just so you know there is Volkswagen/Audi branded 505.01 synthetic 5w40 oil. It comes in a white bottle, similar labeling as the PS fluid, etc. I had gotten it from the dealer a couple times. Squarish liter bottle, not Castrol TXT (although it may have been inside). There have also been a couple different designed Castrol bottles.

Been a long while since I got that VW-branded oil. Actually, the first time I saw it was when a customer brought his own oil from the dealer on his '04 Jetta to me for an oil change. It was also the same bottle that was given to me at the dealer when I bought our Passat. Ever since then though it has been Castrol TXT.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 17:48   #170
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I have been around the service business for along time. Have had people sell me parts that were made by "so and so" the same name that everyone recognizes and uses.

I got burned just a few times until I realized that "so and so" has to dump their rejects somewhere. They had a higher failure rate and some didn't work at all right out of the box.
I don't buy anything that means something to me unless it is a brand name that is well known for quality. PERIOD

Its called reducing the odds of getting junk.
Not to say that everything is perfect, just if something goes haywire they will also stand behind it.

Rejects are a waste of time for any manufacturer or service person.
Pay the price, get the best quality product and charge accordingly. Customers deserve to get what they pay for, not rejects.
Come on Frank - Amsoil does not package rejects - The discusson I thought was based on adverizing and channels. I have a Toshiba laptop and my server is a old Intel PRX 440 dual cpu's to me a Intel board is about as low as I will go. I built this one in 98 and its ticking.

I am sure that Amsoil as Mobil move their substandard stuff to channels were it can be used appropiately for other uses. Maybe it becomes chain saw bar oil I do not know. This thread was started by a gentleman who wanted a opinion about which "Amsoi"l product he should use 10W30/30 or 5W40 in his PD. Your advice should have been

I personally would not use any Amsoil product in my PD, as they have failed to submit their products to the proper channels for testing and thus approval by VW. But if you were to insist to use Amsoil, the AFL would be the product that Amsoil intended and reformulated for PD use.



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Old August 4th, 2006, 01:10   #171
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Frank, just so you know there is Volkswagen/Audi branded 505.01 synthetic 5w40 oil. It comes in a white bottle, similar labeling as the PS fluid, etc. I had gotten it from the dealer a couple times. Squarish liter bottle, not Castrol TXT (although it may have been inside). There have also been a couple different designed Castrol bottles.
The UK dealerships stock a range of oils called "Quantum" on the shelf to sell to customers. It's the same Castrol stuff they use in the service dept, just rebranded and marketed as their own oil. The stuff they use in the service dept is Castrol, but not in bottles. It comes in drums and is marked Castrol.
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Old August 4th, 2006, 02:26   #172
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Oil threads always seem to bring out the best in people.

The 5w-40 would be your best choice.
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Old August 4th, 2006, 16:01   #173
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Come on Frank - Amsoil does not package rejects... <snips>
I am sure that Amsoil as Mobil move their substandard stuff to channels were it can be used appropiately for other uses.
WJ,

AMSOIL doesn't package rejects, it doesn't use recycled drums or bottles, they don't make 'private label' products, and they have a multi-level (fitting, isn't it?!) 100% quality control program. The QC program includes chemical analysis of raw materials before they're unloaded (whether truck or rail), another test as the materials go into blending, blended product is tested, and each batch is tested as it goes to bottling. Waste oil ('blow out') from hoses in between bottling runs is used to fire the oil furnaces in the blending/bottling plant. The lot numbers on containers can be traced back to bottling run, bottling and blending crew, and source raw materials.

jombl, Incorrect. Discussion is allowed. Sniping is not.

Twitch,

AFL is the only product in AMSOIL's lineup that is built for, and recommended for, PD TDIs. No other product from the company is recommended, and only this product will be covered by AMSOIL's warranty for this application.

Have a great weekend!
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Old August 15th, 2006, 20:02   #174
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Just took my pd in last friday and had the dealer install afl. Thanks for all of you who have given me the courage to do it. This was my 5m oil change and I plan to probably use it for the life of car unless the engine explodes.
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Old August 24th, 2006, 19:25   #175
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Hi there, I am new to the forum, I just purchased a 2006 Jetta and was wondering if I could use the Amsoil 3000 for oil changes????
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Old August 24th, 2006, 19:46   #176
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Amsoil recomends their Euro Formula 5W-40 AFL oil for the newer VW's requiring a 505.01 spec oil. There are a bunch of threads in regard to this question if you wish to search for them.
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Old August 24th, 2006, 20:16   #177
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Well your manual says to use oil meeting VW 505.01 rating.

You can buy it at your dealer (usually reasonable price!!) or online at

several of the vendors mentioned in the forums.

Amsoil is a bit of a hot button with a lot of members here. If you have

a spare lifetime or two, read the many and long threads pertaining to the

question you just asked.

Use whatever you like of course, but if the dealer finds out you used

anything other than 505.01 he will likely try (and succeed, so I hear) to

weasel on your warranty. 505.01 is not a brand but rather a specification

put out by VW. So there are several brands you can buy. The easiest is

the one you get at your VW dealer, usually Castrol.

There is a list floating around here somewhere of the approved (by VW)

oils you can supposedly use.

Why not let your dealer do the 5000 and 10000 mile service while

you use that time to decide what other oil to use?

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So no you cannot use Amsoil 3000.
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Amsoil would not rec their 3000 if you wrote them but the AFL. Amsoil is confident they have reformulated a very good 505.01 oil but never submitted it to VAG for approval. Some will say in America you can run run this oil and not void your warrenty. I am not up to hassle with VW so I am looking for the oil I want that also is approved by VW. My salesman said that Amsoil is a very good product and the dealership I spoke with siad it was fine also. We will not know till a Amsoil AFL user has a failure and deals with VWOA. I think in a court of law in America if Amsoil says it meets 505.01 spec and you had a failure. It would not be up to you or Amsoil to prove the oil was good but up to VW to prove it is not good.
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The issue with Amsoil (in general) is that Amsoil themselves say that it meets or exceeds whatever standard you are talking about (505.01 in this case), but they have not gone through with the actual approval process to INDEPENDENTLY CERTIFY that it meets that standard.

VW publishes a list of oils that VW has approved against the 505.01 standard. There is no Amsoil oil to be found on that list.

That is different from saying the stuff is no good. But what it means is that IF something lubrication-related goes wrong, VW is not going to support warranty coverage on the grounds that you did not use oil that was officially approved to the 505.01 standard. Which means, you are going to have a battle on your hands.

There's the info the way I see it. Now it's your choice.
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