1.6 TDI Judder at 50mph in 6th gear

Steven715 · Feb 4, 2014

Hello there I am new to the forum (Long time listener first time caller

) I am very pleased to be a part of the community.

Ok down to my problem My 1.6 TDI has a judder when cursing at a speed of 50mph in 6th gear I have also noticed the same judder at around 40mph in 5th although not as strong as in 6th. This usually happens when I am just cruising along the road no real load on the engine this can happen on every trip so much so that even passengers notice the judder.
I know it not the DPF regenerating as I have checked in VCDS and the DPF last regenerated at 110 km ago. The engine is up to temperature with the oil temperature up to 80 degrees C.

The Car has done 58K miles and there is no fault codas stored for the engine however I do have a couple one of which that may apply is the parking break however there is no indication that there is a problem on the dash.

The car is still under warranty only just (6 Months left or at 60k miles So less than 6 months) VW will charge me if they cant find anything and at £110 I don't want to be fobbed off and £110 lighter.

So I welcome your thoughts on this.

Many thanks steve.

Code:

Wednesday,29,January,2014,17:43:23:58321
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
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Data version: 20130910
 
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Mileage: 58528   Repair Order: 
  
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17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
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02442 - Function Lamp in Control Head 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground
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                    Fault Frequency: 14
                    Reset counter: 79
                    Mileage: 90619 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2025.14.01
                    Time: 15:02:42
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12656671 - No Communication with Diagnostic Gateway 
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                    Date: 2026.14.14
                    Time: 16:43:26
 
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Rico567 · Feb 4, 2014

Well, sounds interesting, but most of the folks on this forum are U.S. and Canadian drivers, and so won't be much help, I'm afraid. We don't drive the B7 Passat that is sold in Europe, we have the NMS Passat made in Chattanooga, TN. Not only is the car itself different, but our TDI is the 2.0 CKRA engine, not the one in your car. In any case, good luck!

ABS · Feb 4, 2014

Going out on a limb here, since we do not have the 1.6L TDI stateside, but a few suggestions anyway.
First, did this just start? If so it could be as simple as bad fuel..
Fuel filter - when was the last time it was replaced.
Does it happen when you use cruise control? If not, the Pedal TPS could be corroded...
EGR
MAF
And my last thought would be turbo related, an actuator solenoid perhaps...

TDI2000Zim · Feb 4, 2014

Do any LIGHTS flicker almost simultaneously, for a short time, like these three:

Steven715 · Feb 4, 2014

ABS said:
Going out on a limb here, since we do not have the 1.6L TDI stateside, but a few suggestions anyway.
First, did this just start? If so it could be as simple as bad fuel..
Fuel filter - when was the last time it was replaced.
Does it happen when you use cruise control? If not, the Pedal TPS could be corroded...
EGR
MAF
And my last thought would be turbo related, an actuator solenoid perhaps...

Thank you both for the quick reply's I did not know that you don't have the B7 there I will look up the NMS.

"Did this just start" to be honest I have only had the car a month I am the 2nd owner and it has done it since I have had it although it does seem that it's getting worse.
Fuel filter this was changed at its last service so the car has only done about 4000 miles at the most (without looking)
"Does this happen when you use cruise control" hmm good question I will try it on the way home from work tomorrow and report back.
EGR I thought this could be a possibility I may try and take some measurements with VCDS the same with the MAF
As for the fuel I thought this initially as I used 1 tank of supermarket fuel I am now done about 120 miles on BP Ultimate hopping it would "clean" out the engine

What I will try I think is top off the tank again with BP Ultimate on Friday and add some additive to the tank give it the best chance we are going on a 200 mile round trip on Saturday so it will give the additive a chance to work.

I thank you once again as you have given me some ideas to try. I will as always report back.

Regards Steve.

50pascals · Feb 4, 2014

What does the EGT do while this is happening?

Steven715 · Feb 4, 2014

50pascals said:
What does the EGT do while this is happening?

I don't know at the moment but I will add that to the list when I do a log. I am working over the next 3 days 12 hour shifts so I won't be able to look at the earliest on Sunday. I will keep you posted and once again thank you all so much for the suggestion.
Steve

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VeeDubTDI · Feb 5, 2014

Is your car a manual, a 6 speed DSG or a 7 speed DSG? My first thought is that you have a clutch or flywheel issue (possible with any of the above transmissions transmissions).

Steven715 · Feb 5, 2014

VeeDubTDI said:
Is your car a manual, a 6 speed DSG or a 7 speed DSG? My first thought is that you have a clutch or flywheel issue (possible with any of the above transmissions transmissions).

It's the 6 speed manual I hope it's not the DMF though

if its the DMF then I would have expected the juddering to be more proponent and maybe in all gears even idle.

As an update I tried what putting the car in cruise control and I did notice it again more so when the car was accelerating up a slight hill. Looks like I will have to call VW and see what they have to say.

I will do some poking around in VCDS and make a few logs and see what I can get.

Thank you once again to all your help I will keep you posted.
Steve.

Steve.

Steven715 · Feb 12, 2014

Follow up

Hello there as promised I have given my laptop a ride in the car and logged some results with VCDS I have logged things that I hope is relevant.
There is 2 log files the second one has bank A and B exhaust temperatures.

The conditions of doing this test I had been raining the lights was on but turned off in auto on way back the external temperature was 7.5 Deg C (although the temperature don't seem to matter) The trip was 10.6 Miles (17.2KM)

Log file 1: Ok so to note that after 4 minutes (240 Seconds approx.) into my trip I had the juddering doing 50 MPH in 6th gear I done it at 50 in 6th as this is where its more noticeable.

Log file 2: I pulled over into a layby and added Bank A,B exhaust temps back in this log file I guess the juddering was at 90 seconds approximately (I had to go round a roundabout to go back on myself) and the juddering was evident for about 120 seconds.

All the information is approximate I tried to take notice of the time of when the juddering happens.

And form information I have now booked the car in to be looked at on this issue and the first thing they said on the phone was
Dealer: Well 6th gear may be a bit high for the speed
Me: I agree but the indicator tells you to change up at 45mph and if I cruse at 45mph in 6th its ok the juddering is between 50-55
Dealer: I hope we can find something
Car is booked in in a couple of weeks time so we will have to wait and see what they say.

As always if there is anymore information that is needed please let me know and I will try and get that information.

I have uploaded the files to my dropbox account hear are the links I hope they work

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9420kd217csj3r/Log 1.CSV
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ehrq6h8yzunalf7/Log 2.CSV

Many thanks Steve

50pascals · Feb 12, 2014

What rpm are you turning when this happens?

Is this the same engine as a Seat Altea?

Steven715 · Feb 12, 2014

50pascals said:
What rpm are you turning when this happens?

Is this the same engine as a Seat Altea?

Hello there engine speed is about 1300 rpm at 50 mph. I believe it's the same engine as the Altea I will look for an engine code in the morning and confirm.

In a way I hope it's my fault that I'm in 6th gear and its not really suited but that kind of bothers me when the car itself recommends going up a gear at 45 when cruising so the gearing / engine must be designed for this?
Like I said before why don't this happen at 45 mph?

50pascals · Feb 12, 2014

I am thinking you are lugging the engine. Essentially this means the cylinders cannot make enough power when they fire and the flywheel does not heave enough stored energy to propel the car between firing pulses. So the engine is rapidly decelerating between firing pulses, and the pulses are hitting a piston that is nearly unable to be moved and only accelerating slightly.

It may tell you to upshift at 45, but that would be assuming light load on flat ground. Mild acceleration on a downhill might be fine at that RPM.

The reason I asked about the Seat Altea (and I believe it is the same engine) is because I drove one for 10 days in Spain this past summer. I never used 6th gear until I was on the highway. Due to a shimmy from the tire or wheel I only ever went 65mph. Once on the highway I never downshifted. This was on the AP-7 along the Mediterranean coast.

Around town I shifted it at 2000 to 2500 rpm. We usually had 5 people in the car.

My rule of thumb for ANY shift light is to ignore it. They program it to meet maximum fuel efficiency, at the expense of the engine and driveability.

Steven715 · Feb 20, 2014

50pascals said:
I am thinking you are lugging the engine. Essentially this means the cylinders cannot make enough power when they fire and the flywheel does not heave enough stored energy to propel the car between firing pulses. So the engine is rapidly decelerating between firing pulses, and the pulses are hitting a piston that is nearly unable to be moved and only accelerating slightly.

It may tell you to upshift at 45, but that would be assuming light load on flat ground. Mild acceleration on a downhill might be fine at that RPM.

The reason I asked about the Seat Altea (and I believe it is the same engine) is because I drove one for 10 days in Spain this past summer. I never used 6th gear until I was on the highway. Due to a shimmy from the tire or wheel I only ever went 65mph. Once on the highway I never downshifted. This was on the AP-7 along the Mediterranean coast.

Around town I shifted it at 2000 to 2500 rpm. We usually had 5 people in the car.

My rule of thumb for ANY shift light is to ignore it. They program it to meet maximum fuel efficiency, at the expense of the engine and driveability.

Sounds like you maybe right I have been playing on different roads including going down a slight hill and it will even do it then its stronger at 55 mph though and I even noticed it in 4th gear at 30-35 mph only very slight.

Like you I change up a gear at around 2000 to 3000 rpm depending on road conditions and how many passengers I have.
I have now started to avoid using 6th gear unless I'm doing 60mph at this speed everything seems happy.

My appointment is next Wednesday so I will report any findings if any.

On a side note I am fully aware that this is a completely different car I was observing a 2010 2.0 140bhp 6 speed DSG Golf. When I drove the car I noticed that the gear changes are the same as what my shift up light I drove normally and the DSG changed up into 6th at 45 if cruising and at 50 55 everything was as smooth as silk even at 45 it was happy this is a car that has done 101k miles on the clock.

I will keep you posted on what happens next week. Even if I am in the wrong!

I really don't believe the car should do this I know what it feels like when you select a two higher gear for the road conditions and I can do this with this car and the results are 2 very different things.

Steve.
Passat 1.6 TDI sport estate Bluemotion

mihneagabriel · Feb 21, 2014

Steven715 said:
Sounds like you maybe right I have been playing on different roads including going down a slight hill and it will even do it then its stronger at 55 mph though and I even noticed it in 4th gear at 30-35 mph only very slight.

Like you I change up a gear at around 2000 to 3000 rpm depending on road conditions and how many passengers I have.
I have now started to avoid using 6th gear unless I'm doing 60mph at this speed everything seems happy.

My appointment is next Wednesday so I will report any findings if any.

On a side note I am fully aware that this is a completely different car I was observing a 2010 2.0 140bhp 6 speed DSG Golf. When I drove the car I noticed that the gear changes are the same as what my shift up light I drove normally and the DSG changed up into 6th at 45 if cruising and at 50 55 everything was as smooth as silk even at 45 it was happy this is a car that has done 101k miles on the clock.

I will keep you posted on what happens next week. Even if I am in the wrong!
I really don't believe the car should do this I know what it feels like when you select a two higher gear for the road conditions and I can do this with this car and the results are 2 very different things.

Steve.
Passat 1.6 TDI sport estate Bluemotion

I agree with what 50pascals said.

Keep in mind that the 1.6 is quite a bit different from the 2.0 we have here and makes less power. I would never shift that early. My friends 2010 gti (2.0T gas engine) tells him to shift at the weirdest times. It makes no sense and he just ignores it.
And although the dsg might shift into 6th at that speed, keep in mind that the gearing ratio is probably different

Does it feel sort of like a new driver learning to drive standard? It's sort of the same principle where there isn't enough power basically.

Good luck. Keep us updated

Steven715 · Feb 21, 2014

Thanks for the reply I will let you know what happens. I think I may disable the gear change in vcds if I can I will get it checked out anyway as I am loosing a small amount of coolant I have toped up the expansion tank 3 times in 1000 miles once from near empty enough to bring on the light so I will get it looked at at the same time.

Keep you posted

Steve.
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50pascals · Feb 21, 2014

I just found out I will be in London next Weds, Thurs, and possibly Friday for work and sightseeing. I'll give you my unbiased test drive impressions....

Steven715 · Feb 21, 2014

Hi 50pascals I am up for that what areas are you planning on visiting? I am in the Bedfordshire area and I may be off work to thank you for the offer although this Wednesday coming its going in to the dealer to be checked out.

Steve.
Passat 1.6 TDI sport estate Bluemotion

Steven715 · Feb 26, 2014

Ok just got off the phone from VW. They found that my coolant leak was my water pump leaking and it has leaked over the Cambelt so Cambelt and new water pump under warranty just for information for others car is at 58k miles
They could not detect my judder however the chap that took my information on how to get it to happen so I told the lady on the phone how to get it todo it. If they can't detect it then I will drive it with them so thy can see.

However saying that they have detected that one of the wheels need to be re aligned so I have asked them to go ahead £120 to get that done and also the fuel filter they said needs replacing. So I hope that these two alone will cure the problem.

I will keep you posted they are finished for today. Should get the car back tomorrow afternoon.

Steve.
Passat 1.6 TDI sport estate Bluemotion

Steven715 · Feb 27, 2014

Got my car back and all is sorted looks like it was a problem with the wheel alignment that was causing the juddering.

I want to say a big thank you to you all that commented and helped.

Many thanks. Steve

Steve.
Passat 1.6 TDI sport estate Bluemotion

jakobkoester · Sep 14, 2014

Juddering...

Hi Guys

I experience exactly the same juttering on my 1.6 TDI Skoda Superb with manual gearbox. Everything below ~1800 RPM often results in juddering.. Eg. when crusing on a flat road in 5th gear, the car might go into "juddering" mode, almost a self-amplifying situation in which you might have to deactivate the cruisecontrol to stop the vibrations.
Tried exchanging the wheels to my wintertyres with no luck.

I´d really like to measure these vibrations - do you know if there is any advanced measurements pointsin VCDS that contains X,Y,Z measured vibrations, so we might be able to graph the vibrations to check the frequency thus comparing to wheel diameter / rpm etc..

thanks

Steven715 · Sep 15, 2014

Mine did stop a few days but it came back again I go so fed up with it that I got new 2.0 TDI and this does not do it at all. I think that it's a problem with the injectors or the EGR valve from what I read up on it I hope you get it sorted out. Steve

jakobkoester · Sep 23, 2014

Hi Steve.. Where did you read anything about that ? If it is an EGR issue / injector issue, then it could possibly be fixed by performin a change of injection values and EGR adjustment. (Tuning of the vehicle) ...
Unfortunately I cannot afford another car currently (a new Skoda Superb with the 2.0TDI costs in the region of 35.000£ in Denmark, so I have to stick with the current car for another three years

Steven715 · Sep 24, 2014

Hi jakobkoester I will do a search when I am on my computer for you I know I read many threads regarding the same problem we have. To be honest I was so unhappy with the power output for such a large car I felt that lithe engine was underpowered it was never going to please me but the judder was the last straw. Before I got rid I tried using an injector cleaner mixed in the fuel tank with driving the car hard at higher revs. I also tried 3-4 tank fulls of the more expensive diesel but to no avail. If I was you it won't cost much to try those and see how you get on.

I will get back to you with some links. Steve.

jakobkoester · Nov 23, 2014

Hi Steve.
Did you manage to find some links ?

THanks from Jakob

kwiatekch · Jul 22, 2019

whats the fix for it ?

Steven715 said:
Hi jakobkoester I will do a search when I am on my computer for you I know I read many threads regarding the same problem we have. To be honest I was so unhappy with the power output for such a large car I felt that lithe engine was underpowered it was never going to please me but the judder was the last straw. Before I got rid I tried using an injector cleaner mixed in the fuel tank with driving the car hard at higher revs. I also tried 3-4 tank fulls of the more expensive diesel but to no avail. If I was you it won't cost much to try those and see how you get on.

I will get back to you with some links. Steve.

looks like this threat is couple of years olf but what is the fix for it ? have same problem with my 2015 2.0 passat cvca

Steven715 · Jul 25, 2019

kwiatekch said:
looks like this threat is couple of years olf but what is the fix for it ? have same problem with my 2015 2.0 passat cvca

Hi unfortunately I never found a fix, I do wonder if something like the EGR valve was starting to clog up but this is just a guess.
I hope you find a fix, I read that many articles on this subject I couldn’t find the one for the previous poster.

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