Here's your stripped car test case folks...

dmarsingill · Dec 22, 2016

cd_booth said:
Not siding one way or another but my 2001 Wrangler (TJ) and I believe all other generations have the side view mirrors attached the door. You have to buy separate mirrors or a relocation bracket to be legal in states that require side view mirrors. The vehicle was designed for door removal but that doesn't make it legal and the law generally turns a blind eye because "it's a Jeep thing."

There is no black and white, only grey.

Correct

Donald

visortgw · Dec 22, 2016

GoFaster said:
Judge Breyer has explicitly warned VW owners not to strip their cars prior to buyback, stating (correctly) that it was the intent that the cars would be bought back in the condition that they were being driven on the road.

Read pages 10-14 of today's (22 December) court transcript for the full discussion.

tjsadler · Dec 22, 2016

visortgw said:
Read pages 10-14 of today's (22 December) court transcript for the full discussion.

Thanks for the transcript link! I printed it to bring to my appointment in a couple weeks in case they balk at the damage on mine. 99% sure they'll have the process down by then but better safe than sorry!

MacBookemDanno · Dec 22, 2016

Federal district judge says don't do it:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...0709313&PID=6161382&SID=ix1228vcg9011tj200dth

rmstephenson · Dec 22, 2016

Some idiot kids shout out the two drivers side windows last weekend in our Sportwagen. I'm not planning to deal with insurance and get them replaced. Think they'll give me grief at turn in?

Jimbo70 · Dec 22, 2016

visortgw said:
The deadline is a couple of years away. VWGoA can afford to wait this out longer than most consumers. Consumers will eventually give up.

What do you mean by "give up"? All consumers have to do to collect money is turn their car in or have it repaired. I don't see anyone starting the process and giving up, particularly the early participants.

wbclassics said:
The cars become cheaper to VW the longer they drag their feet.

The typical VW TDI owner likely drives more than 12,500 miles a year, which is why many of us bought TDIs... they make fantastic long distance driving vehicles and we can really pile on the miles, especially since diesel drivetrains tend to be more durable than gasoline drivetrains and thus better to withstand accumulating high mileage usage.

The vehicle buyback value is partly dictated by the miles on the vehicle at the time of turn in (not what you really had on the odometer in Sept 2015). So, if they keep stalling, a significant percentage of the vehicles end up being calculated at a lower buy back price. If just 5% of buybacks (of all 480,000 cars) are held up long enough to drop the buyback value of the car by $500, VW saves itself $12million. That isn't huge in terms of the overall settlement, but VW is looking to pinch pennies everywhere in this process... and that includes stalling you so they pay you less. Why do you think they understaffed the buyback positions as well to start with?

And you still don't think that there is an incentive for VW to stall?

Does the settlement spell out what happens to VW is they don't meet the 85% goal by Sept 2018? VW is betting that they would be granted an extension at that point. Because, why not? The courts almost always grant extensions as long as someone is perceived to be working towards a goal and doesn't give the appearance of running a sham operation.

All of these stories about the horrors of the process and the lengthy timelines also serve to discourage other owners from entering into the buyback process now. So some people, who would otherwise be participating right now, have decided to sit back and wait (and keep accumulating miles, perhaps at a rate that drops the value of their cars). These are the lazy people that have now lost their motivation because of the hassle of the process. You can bet VW was counting on that too.

I think you're reading way too much into the anecdotal stories. I'm painting with a broad brush here, but based on what I've been reading here and elsewhere, but it seems that the earlier the participant, the more likely that person is looking to exact his or her pound of flesh out of the process; whether by stripping components from their car, or being hypersensitive about any delays or interruptions in the process, to the point of calling VW Care multiple times to berate whoever is on the other end.

I don't see these people giving up.

atomicfront · Dec 22, 2016

rmstephenson said:
Some idiot kids shout out the two drivers side windows last weekend in our Sportwagen. I'm not planning to deal with insurance and get them replaced. Think they'll give me grief at turn in?

Glass replacement is cheap. They have companies that will come to you and fix them for next to nothing. Call safelite up they don't do a great job but the price is right.

r_jojola · Dec 22, 2016

rmstephenson said:
Some idiot kids shout out the two drivers side windows last weekend in our Sportwagen. I'm not planning to deal with insurance and get them replaced. Think they'll give me grief at turn in?

Sorry, don't think I would replace the windows. Don't call safelight and drive it with no windows....that's of course if you want to. That wasn't your fault, and it doesn't effect drivability. They might say something, but just explain what happened. This a slippery slope if VW starts demanding you fix the windows, then a cracked window, then a dent, scratch...bald tires....

rmstephenson · Dec 23, 2016

r_jojola said:
Sorry, don't think I would replace the windows. Don't call safelight and drive it with no windows....that's of course if you want to. That wasn't your fault, and it doesn't effect drivability. They might say something, but just explain what happened. This a slippery slope if VW starts demanding you fix the windows, then a cracked window, then a dent, scratch...bald tires....

That's what I'm thinking. This car is already costing me ones sitting still and I don't want more dumped into it. Every part of the process has taken forever though and I don't want to get bumped at my appointment. An acknowledged risk I guess.

Namakan · Dec 23, 2016

rmstephenson said:
That's what I'm thinking. This car is already costing me ones sitting still and I don't want more dumped into it. Every part of the process has taken forever though and I don't want to get bumped at my appointment. An acknowledged risk I guess.

I would bring a copy of the police report with you as evidence that you did not do this intentionally.

KITEWAGON · Dec 23, 2016

I guess maybe I'll leave the radio in it. I'm still taking out all the mats and the spare tire though! My wife's car is so filthy and gross that they won't want to spend much time in it taking inventory.

And I know that it isn't my decision what VW does with that car.....but it is getting CRUSHED!! There is no way they are spending a bunch of money on a repair for a car that I'd be lucky to sell for $5 or 6k at this point.

740GLE · Dec 23, 2016

take the radio out and put in a box of kelnex, say you never listen to the radio but have bad allergies, you do this to all your cars.

Let me know how Seacoast VW is for the buy back process.

3L3M3NT · Dec 23, 2016

The video is up on youtube and I find it amazing how far he went with stripping the car.

After watching the video, I found it funny how the car was so much faster with everything was removed and made it feel like he had it tuned.

Anyway here's the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7nKt1NFsCA

nicklockard · Dec 23, 2016

My theory is that this "test case" was devised by him, a VW dealer, to be SO egregious as to guarantee Judge Breyer's review and admonishment.

Mission: accomplished.

kuklaki · Dec 23, 2016

Namakan said:
I would bring a copy of the police report with you as evidence that you did not do this intentionally.

I second that opinion. It's better to be safe in light of the guy who stripped his car, they may raise an eyebrow and think it was deliberately broken unless you have a police report.

BKmetz · Dec 23, 2016

rmstephenson said:
Some idiot kids shout out the two drivers side windows last weekend in our Sportwagen. I'm not planning to deal with insurance and get them replaced. Think they'll give me grief at turn in?

Here is what I propose: Make this easy on your self. Instead of taking a lot of bad advice off the forums, go find out. Go to the dealership BEFORE your appointment and talk to the buyback specialist. Simply ask them, is this condition acceptable? Yes? Do nothing. No? Install some new glass and move on. Turn in a police report and have your insurance replace the glass, if you have glass coverage.

No reason to frustrate yourself.

Good luck.

BKmetz · Dec 23, 2016

nicklockard said:
My theory is that this "test case" was devised by him, a VW dealer, to be SO egregious as to guarantee Judge Breyer's review and admonishment.

Mission: accomplished.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Brilliant strategy.

First we have that revmatch guy and others trolling TDI owners to convince them into stripping their cars before they turn them in. Then we have this other guy who works at a VW dealership reverse troll the TDI stripper contingent by turning in such a flagrant and extreme example to provoke a response from the judge.

The issue is now settled. Thread locked.

Here's your stripped car test case folks...

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