The Tortoise
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Dropped off yesterday for my Phase 2. I got a loaner as we were told: 17 Alltrack SE with 224 miles on it.
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Nice. What are your impressions of the Alltrack vs the GSW TDI?
Dropped off yesterday for my Phase 2. I got a loaner as we were told: 17 Alltrack SE with 224 miles on it.
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Handling seems worse but to be expected despite the torque arm in mine vs. IRS and this being a bit taller. The seats aren't the same as my SEL, so that part takes away, and I have and like the 18's which also takes away. I'm hating the transmission but guess it will get better as it learns over some mileage. The power seems delayed and not as strong, but again, this is heavier and pulling more driveline loss.Nice. What are your impressions of the Alltrack vs the GSW TDI?
I dropped mine off at 26000 miles. I was at the dealer for something else and they asked me if I wanted to get it done while it was here. I said go for it.dutchsher, how many miles on yours when you had your Phase 2 Kit A installed? What did the dealership tell you regarding when your vehicle can be brought in for Phase 2?
I'm a little confused. You said you bought your 2015 a little over a month ago. It must have been used. You discussed previously about your experience on how the car changed after the Phase 1 work. When did you have Phase 1 work done? It had to be after you bought it, to know how it performed before Phase 1. If Phase 1 wasn't performed on your vehicle before you bought it, I would think you would be eligible for an emissions restitution claim.I dropped mine off at 26000 miles. I was at the dealer for something else and they asked me if I wanted to get it done while it was here. I said go for it.
Correct, yes. I didn't expect this to be the case. When I asked why, they told me original owner 2015's got a new DPF regardless of miles. There was some discussion farther up in this thread, but it got buried. Basically, we don't know if the dealer knows what they're talking about. But the bottom line is, I got a new DPF/DOC assembly and VW paid for it... so who knows.16vjohn, so you have a 2015 Jetta TDI w/42k miles (below 70k miles), and your Phase 2 fix included a new DPF? I thought manuals below 70k and DSG's below 40k were just getting a 2nd NOX sensor and a reflash, then come back later with more miles on the vehicle to get the new hardware.
Sorry, I should have explained more. I had another mk7 Golf TDI that I sold back to Volkswagen right when the scandal came out. I also had a mk6 Jetta TDI before that one too. The Golf I currently have I purchased CPO in April.I'm a little confused. You said you bought your 2015 a little over a month ago. It must have been used. You discussed previously about your experience on how the car changed after the Phase 1 work. When did you have Phase 1 work done? It had to be after you bought it, to know how it performed before Phase 1. If Phase 1 wasn't performed on your vehicle before you bought it, I would think you would be eligible for an emissions restitution claim.
It's my understanding government regulations are much different now.Oil was around $100 yet was still only $3.50 at the pumps. Someone is making a killing.
I agree with this. If I decide to get Phase 2 done, it would be closer to the extended warranty expiration of 162,000 miles, as a way to extend it another 50,000 miles^
Previous two posts: This is why you wait and let others be the guinea pigs.
Depending on continued reports, I’ll decide if I even want to get Phase 2 at all. There’s no pot of money to incentivize me as a NOS purchaser.
Best of luck guys/gals.
What jonferns said^ ;-)I agree with this. If I decide to get Phase 2 done, it would be closer to the extended warranty expiration of 162,000 miles, as a way to extend it another 50,000 miles
Yep. The only concern waiting that long though is that the bow wave of Phase 2 repairs will be long done and then you may have a green mechanic and parts availability issue all over again years from now.I agree with this. If I decide to get Phase 2 done, it would be closer to the extended warranty expiration of 162,000 miles, as a way to extend it another 50,000 miles
Even if one were to wait until 150,000 (for me that would be ~3 years from now), you would be covered until 200k, which isn't too shabbyYep. The only concern waiting that long though is that the bow wave of Phase 2 repairs will be long done and then you may have a green mechanic and parts availability issue all over again years from now.
I do like the idea of a 16 year, 222,000 mile warranty though.
I dont think the problems were specific to me being a guinea pig because they had already done multiple phase 2 fixes prior to mine. The service parking area was loaded with 2015 TDIs when I got there. There were no more dealer loaner cars available and I was set up with a rental. The guy at the enterprise office told me that he was swamped with people from the dealership getting fixes done and the only thing he had left to give me was Nissan truck.^
Previous two posts: This is why you wait and let others be the guinea pigs.
Is the extended warranty conditional on having both fixes done?There’s no pot of money to incentivize me as a NOS purchaser.
You missed "...shall be the greater of"The way I interpret the warranty is that it will expire after 5 years or 60,000 miles from Phase 1. You can't get to 11 years or 162,000 miles without completing Phase 2.
The warranty period for the “Extended Emissions Warranty” limited warranty extension shall be the Greater of:
11 years or 162,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the vehicle’s original in service date;
OR
5 years or 60,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the date and mileage of Phase 1 of the emissions modification.
The way I interpret the warranty is that it will expire after 5 years or 60,000 miles from Phase 1. You can't get to 11 years or 162,000 miles without completing Phase 2.
The warranty period for the “Extended Emissions Warranty” limited warranty extension shall be the Greater of:
11 years or 162,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the vehicle’s original in service date;
OR
5 years or 60,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the date and mileage of Phase 1 of the emissions modification.
Actually as you stated it...Read your Phase 2 letter again, top of page 5 of 6. It's GREATER of 11 yr/162K OR 5yr/60K from date of PHASE 2 (not Phase 1).
So, just like I've said, you could wait until 10 years, 364 days and 161,999 miles on your odometer, get Phase 2, and be under warranty an additional 5 yrs/60k...
..ie. 16 years and 222,000 miles. Whichever occurs first.
The whole thing definitely could be written more clearly. I got the "...shall be the greater of" part. It's for the greater of 11 years/162,000 miles OR 5 years/60,000 miles from phase 1. Part 2 is only going to be greater if you had phase 1 done after 102,000 miles.You missed "...shall be the greater of"
Yes, potentially you could have your warranty extended beyond 162,000 miles, but only if you already had high miles (102,000+) when phase 1 was competed.Read your Phase 2 letter again, top of page 5 of 6. It's GREATER of 11 yr/162K OR 5yr/60K from date of PHASE 2 (not Phase 1).
So, just like I've said, you could wait until 10 years, 364 days and 161,999 miles on your odometer, get Phase 2, and be under warranty an additional 5 yrs/60k...
..ie. 16 years and 222,000 miles. Whichever occurs first.
I got the "...shall be the greater of" part. It's for the greater of 11 years/162,000 miles OR 5 years/60,000 miles from phase 1. Part 2 is only going to be greater if you had phase 1 done after 102,000 miles.
5 years or 60,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the
date and mileage of Phase 1 of the emissions modification.
At the time of the subsequent Phase 2 modification, the
extended warranty will be honored for 5 years or 60,000
miles, whichever occurs first, from the date and mileage of
the completion of Phase 2.
I fixed that for you. You could have a 2015 bought in 2015 with 161k and just got Phase 1 right before Phase 2 came out. Then in 5 years or so get Phase 2 done for another 60k miles/5 years for a total of 13 years or 282k miles (approx).Read your Phase 2 letter again, top of page 5 of 6. It's GREATER of 11 yr/162K (from the put in service date) OR 5yr/60K from date of PHASE 1 and 2. Depends on your car and when you bought it and existing miles. Owner bought 2015 in 2015 may be different than stop sale bought in 2017. IIRC.
So, just like I've said, you could wait until 10 years, 364 days and 161,999 miles on your odometer, get Phase 2, and be under warranty an additional 5 yrs/60k...
..ie. 16 years and 222,000 miles. Whichever occurs first.