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Old March 30th, 2009, 22:18   #31
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You know those are just Ford Rangers, right?
Well aware of that, but I'm still gonna say it anyway.

Not unlike Mitsubishi, I wish they still sold their own trucks on these shores. Go to Mazda UKs' site and get a load of the BT-50!
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Old April 5th, 2009, 12:31   #32
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i was gonna complain about the bad rap mazda gets with all this 'rebadged fords' stuff, but unfortunately I guess its kinda true these days. I absolutely love my miata, but it's from the good old days in the 90s and imported straight from japan. Also, I've test driven plenty of mazdas and they seem FAR more 'together' than fords. I dunno. I'd still be really excited to see diesel models. I think thats a far more reasonable solution than that stupid hybrid **** which requires much more expensive parts and you still have cars that are ultimately hauling around a ton more weight in electric motors. it seems really impractical.
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Old April 7th, 2009, 07:25   #33
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From what I read this weekend a requirement of 24 mpg for light trucks & 30 mpg for cars highways CAFE starting in 2011 is being announced this week . Depending on how much CAFE increases & how little time the automakers are given to reach proposed increasing CAFE rules will dictate what diesel models we get here in coming years . Currently diesel tech is the only real way to meet meaningful CAFE increase today and for the foreseeable future
That's the part that makes me nuts. Diesels are a fast wasy to meet the new CAFE requirements without having to invest bazillions to develop complex hybrid technology. I realize the ponderous emissions regs for US diesels require expensive exhaust treatment, but that's gotta be cheaper than the hybrid alternative.

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Yeah, that's what we all said when we heard Honda was bringing their diesel here too...
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Old April 7th, 2009, 07:48   #34
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The day I see a non-german Diesel for sale is the same day I'll have a massive heart attack and die I'm afraid.
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Old April 7th, 2009, 07:52   #35
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The day I see a non-german Diesel for sale is the same day I'll have a massive heart attack and die I'm afraid.
Don't want to kill you, but I'll sell you my diesel Corolla cheap.
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Old April 7th, 2009, 08:37   #36
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If it's an automatic I have a coworker who will rip my heart out, sell it on the black market version of ebay, and buy it from you....

Is it an 84 model?
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It is an autobox. It is an '84. It needs some work. The price is less than one dollar.
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If you like I'll send you a new one on oilhammer's new boat.

US$17,250 at the current exchange rate for the Corolla 1.4 D-4D
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i was gonna complain about the bad rap mazda gets with all this 'rebadged fords' stuff, but unfortunately I guess its kinda true these days. I absolutely love my miata, but it's from the good old days in the 90s and imported straight from japan. Also, I've test driven plenty of mazdas and they seem FAR more 'together' than fords. I dunno. I'd still be really excited to see diesel models. I think thats a far more reasonable solution than that stupid hybrid **** which requires much more expensive parts and you still have cars that are ultimately hauling around a ton more weight in electric motors. it seems really impractical.
Hybrids and diesels are completely different in terms of the way they drive and the type of driver buying them. The reason i think a market for both will continue. I wouldn't call it impractical as the theme in the industry (in NA at least) is hybrids increasing their power and mpg's while diesels increase their power and decrease mpg's.

As fare as the added weight you complained about; have you actually compared the diesel vehicles to hybrids? The Camry hybrid weight is almost identical to a 09 TDI, my much smaller golf actually weighs more then my Prius. I don't buy the more expensive parts either, very few parts on these TDI's are cheap and the talent to put them back together "correctly" is not only hard to find but expensive.
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With all due respect, check out the latest SUV rollover ratings - Tiguan is 5-Star. We buy these VWs because they are the safest small cars. Mazda = tin can. Ford forced Volvo to stop advertising their strong roofs because folks were/are getting crushed in Explorer rollovers.

We need the German engineered safety VWs provide. Do a search for the wrecked Golfs on this forum where the driver walked away.
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With all due respect, I really find it hard to believe that you really think Mazdas are "tin cans." As to rollover ratings, the best score in the history of the test was achieved by the Mazda RX-8....
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Old April 8th, 2009, 21:41   #41
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With all due respect, I really find it hard to believe that you really think Mazdas are "tin cans." As to rollover ratings, the best score in the history of the test was achieved by the Mazda RX-8....
Fair enough, I didn't research all Mazdas.

The RX-8 has a low center of gravity (it's a sports car!!!) and therefore has a high resistance to rollover. If it did rollover, could its roof support it?

15 years ago my brother was run off of I-78 in NJ while driving a VW Fox, the car rolled and ended up on its roof, and he got out without a scratch. It would not have been as pretty in a "modern" Explorer. I wonder how well an old Mazda 323 would have done.

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Interesting you bring that story up about a VW and rollover; VW seems to have been one of the first to really utilize rollover testing on their vehicle designs. That is one of the reasons my new to the wheel coworker is gungho about owning a VW.....safety.
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Thumbs down Might as well write this one off too!

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I'm rather certain I am in the 10% that an electric won't satisfy my needs...
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Fair enough, I didn't research all Mazdas.

The RX-8 has a low center of gravity (it's a sports car!!!) and therefore has a high resistance to rollover. If it did rollover, could its roof support it?

15 years ago my brother was run off of I-78 in NJ while driving a VW Fox, the car rolled and ended up on its roof, and he got out without a scratch. It would not have been as pretty in a "modern" Explorer. I wonder how well an old Mazda 323 would have done.

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I would have to agree that 15 years ago a mazda 323 might not have fared as well as the Fox, but I bought a base hatchback model 323 in October 1990, and my dad still drives it every day to my house, well it seems like every day, lol. It doesn't consume more than a few spoonfulls of oil between changes, ok the seats are now towels and foam inserts, but it still gets 33 mpg around town and the a/c blows cold...the clutch is a bit of a touchy mother, but still original, and it pulls hard if you want. If it rolled over I supect it would hold up as well as could be expected. Those Foxes of that vintage were pretty boxy and upright from what I recall...the 323 may have just rolled over onto its wheels . Your point is taken, though...if I had to choose then it would be to go through it in the Fox. I once slapped a mosquito on the roof of it one evening and it took ten minutes to pop the crater back out . OTOH, I remember getting the stink eye from someone when I asked them about their Fox in early 90s, thinking of buying one for my folks...they painted a familiar picture of dealer trips and such. I dunno...I wouldn't be afraid of a Mazda quality-wise, and I had Mazda Navajo for a few months that seemed solid...but it got returned due to many many problems. (shrugs).

I just want a friggin diesel minivan so I can pull our 3800 pd boat and get decent mileage, mumble mumble, and not have to break out big iron going to the lake.
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