what 5th gear ratio is in the 2005 Passat TDI automatic?

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I am curious what is the over drive ratio on the tip tronic 5 speed auto in a 2005 TDI Passat.

I am curious since I am starting to look at manual trans to replace the auto. I assume that the "final drive" / Differential is part of the transmission or is this something that I will be reusing from my current car?

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you will not re-use anything from the auto except the bolts to mount it with
 

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Thanks - Do you know what 5th gear ratio is in the automatic? My desire would be to find a 6 speed that is close to what I have, hopefully a little more OD therefore reduce the RPM at highway speed.

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Thanks - Do you know what 5th gear ratio is in the automatic? My desire would be to find a 6 speed that is close to what I have, hopefully a little more OD therefore reduce the RPM at highway speed.

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Use a 5 sp Euro code FHN or GGB which you will have to buy across the pond. According to VWZTIPS, ratios including 5th are similar to your Tiptronic and the 5sp will save you big bucks over a 6 sp. Hopefully,he will see this post and let us know where we can buy them.
 

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I'm pretty sure that Ryan, http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/, can source what you need. He has supplied many 5 & 6 speed MK IV set ups for pooched 01Ms.
Ryan told me they aren't common so he doesn't mess with them. Know any other sources? Scott Dewitt has some EEN code but they are geared too low for me(2700 RPM at 80)
 

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what is the RPM for the automatic at 80 MPH? I can't drive mine due to the tranny. If somone can drive 80 mph and let me know the RPM, that would be great.
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2000 RPM = 65MPH, you can do the math from there.
 

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2000 RPM = 65MPH, you can do the math from there.
2100 RPM=80mph in my 2013 6th. It makes going with a 6sp swap more and more attractive even with the added cost! I don't particularly like using a DMF, but the one in my SVT Focus worked out well. Even the factory automatic is geared too low for high speed driving IMHO. I'm sure VW geared the B7 so high for MPG and who doesn't like the added benefit of quiet and less engine wear? A good tune in a B5.5 6sp MT should yield similar results and not cost $26k.
 
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For the b5, the math should make it around 2450 rpm @ 80 mph
 

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For the b5, the math should make it around 2450 rpm @ 80 mph
I just checked mine. With the 205-55-16 tires, my Tiptronic is right there. Your 5sp conversion is close to that?
 

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Per Scott DeWitt, the 5 speed manuals will give you 2700 RPM @ 80 mph and the 6 speeds will give you 2400 RPM @ 80 mph.

50harleyrider - I would love to have your 6 speed tranny in my 2005 but it seems as if the 6 speeds (E01) will not provide the same low RPM at 80 mph as the 2013's do.

Scott stated that you can play with transfer case gears on the 5 speed which will enable lower RPM but of course this will be a cost adder.

I would also assume that one could buy a different OD gears for the 5 speed manual trans - I did this in my 2003 jetta tdi (11% reduction) and while it did not really improve the MPG it definitely made a quieter drive which was worth it.

vwztips - I see in your profile that you have a passat with a 5 speed manual - what RPM do you run at 80 mph? Did you keep the stock 5 speed OD gears and transfer case gears or did you make any changes? Do you remember what 5 speed tran code you put it?
 

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The 5 speed EEN will run 2700 @ 80. I have a v6 gasser gearbox i will sell cheap and you can change out 5th to do better than that. The GGB or FHN almost duplicates the automatic at any given speed/rpm, so yes I am turning around 2450 @80 mph.
 

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The 5 speed EEN will run 2700 @ 80. I have a v6 gasser gearbox i will sell cheap and you can change out 5th to do better than that. The GGB or FHN almost duplicates the automatic at any given speed/rpm, so yes I am turning around 2450 @80 mph.
 

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The 5 speed EEN will run 2700 @ 80. I have a v6 gasser gearbox i will sell cheap and you can change out 5th to do better than that. The GGB or FHN almost duplicates the automatic at any given speed/rpm, so yes I am turning around 2450 @80 mph.
 

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nvr-enuf: I think the 5th in your Jetta was also an easy change just like my B4s. The B5.5 tranny probably requires disassembly to change 5th and I wouldn't recommend it unless you're a tranny expert with lots of specialized case spreader tools,etc. Here's a website I got from Europe which has most of the gear ratios for VW trannys: http://www.dieselschrauber.de/GKB.html
The GGB isn't included. It must be a rare bird or non-existent.
 
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The 5 speed EEN will run 2700 @ 80. I have a v6 gasser gearbox i will sell cheap and you can change out 5th to do better than that. The GGB or FHN almost duplicates the automatic at any given speed/rpm, so yes I am turning around 2450 @80 mph.
Did you look at the DUK when doing your conversion? It looks to have the same 5th ratio as your FHN with a slightly lower ring and pinion (3.55 as opposed to your 3.44).
 

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I used a 1.8t trans with 3rd-4th from a V6 quattro trans (cheap and available at the time) and a real TDI 5th. I would find a whole FWD V6 trans and just add the 0.683 5th gear if I had to do it again. Overall ratio and cruising RPM is the same as EEN. Mine shows about 2600 on the tach @80mph. I really find the car a bit overgeared, but I don't do alot of highway mostly 50mph limit secondary roads.
Wouldn't it be hard to find a 5th gear set and equally as hard to install them? A .658 or .630 would be ideal. What is the code of the VR6 and 1.8t gasser tranny? Gears 1-4 might not be suitable for a lower reving different torque curve TDI BHW engine. The 6speeds I've researched are geared about the same in 6th as the 5sp are in 5th-no thanks and bigger bucks
 
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I have a DVZ from a v6 gasser. 1-3 are almost identical. 4th is close too. 5th would need changing for sure. Lowest (or highest) ratio I could find for the 012 was 0.68 for 5th. You can also tweak the final output with width or sidewall ratio. Doesn't take much.
 

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I am leaning towards a 6 speed. I can get the RPMs I want and price seems ok. The jury is still out yet, bottom line will be total cost. I am going to try to install the pedals this weekend, I hear that it is quite a fun job!
 

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I have a DVZ from a v6 gasser. 1-3 are almost identical. 4th is close too. 5th would need changing for sure. Lowest (or highest) ratio I could find for the 012 was 0.68 for 5th. You can also tweak the final output with width or sidewall ratio. Doesn't take much.
Do you know what the pinion ratio is in the DVZ? Your FHN is 3.44 according to my chart. I don't see the DVZ listed in it. It would be nice to see just how hard it would be to change 5th in these boxes. I'm spoiled on the 02A-30 minutes since it's located on the end and outboard. That's why it's so easy to convert them to 6sp.
 

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I'm looking for 2000-2200 in 5th. With the multitude of tranny codes VW/Audi have out there, it's just a matter of getting the right one. The DUK has a 3.55 R&P but I don't know if it'll work with the BHW and it's a .686 5th too so it's not particularly tall overall. I think VWTZIPS has done his homework so the best option is the FHN. From what I've heard,the GGB has a slightly taller 5th but is scarce. I don't think the Eurocode 5 sp trannys are really suitable for our interstates. The Autobahn is probably about the only place over there that would really need tall gears.
 
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FHN and GGB are exactly the same. GGB is just a little newer.

I agree with QuickTD in that going lower would probably get pretty buzzy.
 

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FHN and GGB are exactly the same. GGB is just a little newer.

I agree with QuickTD in that going lower would probably get pretty buzzy.
Now to find an FHN (with a little help).
 

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Sadly, the euro trannys are all you've got. All those trans codes with tall gears (FHN, EEN, DHF, DUK) are european, none were available in the US or Canada. If you want to shop local the V6 with a retrofitted TDI 5th is your only option.[/QUOTE]
Yeah,.68 5th is just to low to even bother. Surely some higher TDI 5th is available somewhere out there. A .630 to .650 would be perfect.
 

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I'm looking for 2000-2200 in 5th. With the multitude of tranny codes VW/Audi have out there, it's just a matter of getting the right one. The DUK has a 3.55 R&P but I don't know if it'll work with the BHW and it's a .686 5th too so it's not particularly tall overall. I think VWTZIPS has done his homework so the best option is the FHN. From what I've heard,the GGB has a slightly taller 5th but is scarce. I don't think the Eurocode 5 sp trannys are really suitable for our interstates. The Autobahn is probably about the only place over there that would really need tall gears.

Here in Montana our two lanes are 70 and our interstates are 75 mph. Much off the west is the same. I for one would like it.
 

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Again, VW really looked out for us with the B7 manual. Just drove mine to S. Florida. Still can't get over the tach just over 2000 at 80. I wonder if the B7 DSG is geared that tall?
 

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Is it possible to swap out the 5th gear in the FHN to a slightly higher gear easily? I know swapping the 5th gear in the Jetta was dead simple!
 

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Totally different trannys. The 02 series like in your jetta have the outboard 5th-so easy to change. The inline B5 FHN is a totally different beast and you would have to dimantle tranny to change 5th. I've got an FHN waiting for my GMR to puke so am curious what you find out as a higher 5th would be desirable especially with a tune. The FHN matches the GMR closely in 5th so it is a bit too low. 2000 rpm at 80 would be sweet. My NMS 6sp MT is 2050 at 80.
 
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Ok thanks. That's what I wanted to know. The FHN is great and almost matches the GMR. I'm doing about 50-75rpms higher in the FHN compared to the GMR so very close. I do 90% highway so was wondering if the 5th gear was an easy swap out it would be nice to get them down about 200rpms for the high speed cruising...I'll leave it alone given the challenge/cost in swapping.
 
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