Ward\'s AutoWorld comments about the PD
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POwer is power. What its mounted in is something else, but the V10 TDI is a sweet ENGINE, and will match any Cummins or whatever else of similar power, given the right chassis mounting.
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But how long will it last?
As evidence in other posts I make I show that I do a lot of reading in the European market.
Let's just say that the V10 Touareg isn't any better than the typical VW no days in terms of reliability. /images/graemlins/frown.gif
Here's one example....
http://www.automotiveforums.com/t69611.html
mauleskyrocket
The Toareg is the worst VW I have ever owned. It lives in the shop. Vw cannot make high end cars and their dealers can't service them.
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That is getting to be the norm "over there" with any car made by VW over $50k.
I know a couple of RV'ers that have literally pulled fifth-wheel trailers in the 15k lb range over 300k each (snowbirds) with their Cummins diesels with ZERO breakdowns.
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I am sure the Cummins diesels are great. And when it comes to "heavy duty" diesels, they probably have better expertise.
But when it comes to light and moderate duty diesel engines, AND advanced technology, sorry guys, no American manufacturer can touch European diesel tech, including especially VW diesel tech. AND if VW tries to make a heavy duty diesel, I am sure they can make it better than a Cummins. Not a doubt in my mind - they are some of the top experts in diesel tech. Trying to impune VW diesel know-how is retarded, and anyone who knows their stuff isnt going to be persuaded by some irrelevant report of making 4 burnout marks. Like, how do we know the V10 TDI Touareg wont do the same? /images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif When it comes to advanced tech and diesel engine superiority, I will take a VW diesel any day over a Cummins.
Autodiesel, you seem to be jumping on the VW demagoging bandwagon. Implying that VW diesels are crap in terms of reliability?!? Sorry dude, if you believe that, you dont have a clue.
I have never had inherent reliability problems with my TDI or my n/a 1.6L IDI diesel. And from general experience, VW diesels, and heck,VW engines in general, are bullet-proof as far as the block/head and internals are concerned.
I am NOT talking about the Touareg. I am talking about the diesel engine.
Again, when it comes to literally lugging tons of cargo, I dont doubt the Cummins are great, and that is what they are made for.
But the V10 is a new engine, and you have no idea what its long term reliability is. Suggesting otherwise makes your opinion in this regard totally suspect to me.
As far as specs go, which is pretty much all we have to go on right now until some genuine long term results (like >100kmi operation) come back, the V10 TDI seems superior. V10 TDI makes greater specific HP and torque than the comparable Cummins I6 that got the Ward's Top 10 award, and does so with cleaner emissions. The V10 is probably quieter/smoother combustion-wise (I cant speak on this with auhority, but the V10 is getting great NVH comments, although the Cummins is also). It is also lighter I believe, with aluminum head and I believe a mostly-aluminum block (there has been some debate on this around here).
And that example thread is ridiculous - the board is not the best. There are no time stamps or anything, so dont know how old that is (I would like to know how long that Touareg owner has allowed the evidence challenge to go uncontested). A classic bunch of doubters who might automatically assume an MB or BMW is better than a VW. All of the people seem to like the Touareg and have nothing bad to say about it or the V10. Then somebody baselessly says his Touareg is junk and "lives in the shop" without any explanation or whatnot, and that is your evidence? What are you smoking Autodiesel? Perhaps he got a lemon. Perhaps he is just a hater. Who knows, there are certainly a lot of them around. /images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Branding all Touaregs as crap is idiotic, and I would be a fool to believe such nonsense based on one person's supposed experience.
Im sorry, but you just sound like any other typical VW-hating whiner, and I dont base that statement on this thread only. You have made several baseless attacks on VW quality around here. And just because you may own a VW or a TDI, it doesnt make you an expert or validate your attitude. You seem happy to hail any disatisfied supposed VW owner as a clear sign that VW is junk. But that is a far cry from a convincing case for VW quality problems, which I agree they have.
PS:Touareg is getting automotive awards left and right.