Rebuilt and salvage Buy backs?

tjsadler

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Just got my offer letter!!! We have a notary at work so I was able to upload within half an hour of getting it. Now for the buyback appointment scheduling wait... Hopefully won't be too long but at this point I'm shooting for January since that drops me a mileage bucket and nets me ~$500 extra :
2014 Passat bought new 11/2013
"Totaled" on 6/23/16 but still "operable"

If you've been stuck for a long time with a salvage title I'd definitely try to contact the lawyers. One of them said they are looking for salvage title claims they can help push through to make sure VW is handling them correctly. She said to make your email short and to the point or it would end up at the bottom of the stack to work on :rolleyes:
 

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Just got my offer letter!!! We have a notary at work so I was able to upload within half an hour of getting it. Now for the buyback appointment scheduling wait... Hopefully won't be too long but at this point I'm shooting for January since that drops me a mileage bucket and nets me ~$500 extra :
2014 Passat bought new 11/2013
"Totaled" on 6/23/16 but still "operable"
If you've been stuck for a long time with a salvage title I'd definitely try to contact the lawyers. One of them said they are looking for salvage title claims they can help push through to make sure VW is handling them correctly. She said to make your email short and to the point or it would end up at the bottom of the stack to work on :rolleyes:
Congrats!:D

Which lawyer did you use?
 

tjsadler

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I spoke and emailed with several of them back in June so I had a few individual emails in addition to the info@vwclasscounsel.com one. When I didn't get a response after two emails over 4 days I emailed the individual lawyers and a very nice woman from Hagens Berman in Seattle called me back. She also followed up with me this morning to make sure I got the offer letter about an hour after I received it so they definitely have the ability to call up VW and discuss individual claims.
 

2TDIguy

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Mine has a previous Salvage title, titled and licenced on 5/13/2015 and still licenced and insured to this day. I uploaded my document images 6-7 weeks ago. I check it about every other day and it always says "under review". Anyone have input as to if I should qualify date wise?
 

2TDIguy

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Go to this link showing the actual final approved court order. Page 5 shows eligible vehicles. No where does it say anything about salvage vehicles, just specific date info. Also I searched the entire document for "salvage" and found nothing. I have drove salvage vehicles for 25 years. The large change came around 15 years ago when the manufacturers started voiding warranty when finding a car VIN as salvaged. The one exception to that is they had to honor emission warranty and recalls to salvaged vehicles. This entire settlement is based on emissions so I really dont see how you could not press them to take it if you were properly informed and maybe lawyered up.

https://www.vwcourtsettlement.com/en/docs/PSC/Final Approval Order - Class Action Agreement.pdf
 

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Sorry for the long post.....just my two cents here...would love to hear everyone's thoughts on my interpretation of this "branded" title issue.

As I see it there are really only two situations to consider:

1. Cars with branded titles on Sept 18, 2015. These cars are then subdivided into two more possible outcomes.

a. Cars that were NOT purchased from a salvage/junk yard after said date of Sept 18, 2015 are qualified for the buyback.

NOTE: There is no definition given for what exactly a junk yard or salvage yard is.

b. Cars that WERE purchased from a salvage yard after Sept. 18, 2015 are not eligible....again assuming they had branded titles as of Sept. 18, 2015.

2. Cars with branded titles after Sept 18, 2015.

a. ALL of these cars are eligible for the buyback assuming they are running/operable when turned in as defined in the agreement.

The date of June 28th only relates to the individual who totals his car after June 28th, 2016 and before Sept 16th, 2016 and the car is sold to the insurance company. This is due to the accounting of the "opt out of the settlement" numbers and "qualified seller" restitution calculations. If you sell your car to the insurance company between June 28, 2016 and Sept 16, 2016 you are in the same boats as those individuals that decide to sell there clean title cars between those same dates....out of the money. See below.

"There is one exception: if your car is totaled after June 28, 2016, but before the opt-out date (September 16, 2016), you are excluded from the settlement class and reserve your rights and claims against the Volkswagen entities."

Note the car itself is not excluded just the individual....same as a clean title car.

You have to remember that the US Government and VW have been negotiating this agreement long before Sept 18, 2015 when the information was released to the pubic.

From a conversation I had with one of the class attorneys, she indicated that VW and US Government knew EXACTLY every VIN that was qualified at that date. They also knew the EXACT amount of money required to buy back all of those cars....thats where the settlement numbers were calculated from.

VW probably argued that they shouldn't have to buy back cars that were branded on Sept 18, 2015 and some junkyard owner was parting it out thus not on the road at that time. Therefore, they shouldn't be required to buy it back. The US Gov fighting on behalf of the consumer likely argued that those cars that were legally on the road with or without brands had to be bought back.

If a car was totaled after Sept 18, 2015 it is likely counted IF it is operable when turned in as it was counted as a qualified VIN on Sept 18, 2015.

Also statement stating the car had to be operable on June 28th 2016 makes absolutely no sense. So the car could be running June 27th or June 29th and it qualifies? How would either party prove that the car in question was operable on that specific date?

Just my two cents....sorry for the long post.
 

2TDIguy

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How is this info valid if the court order states 2.0L cars, dates, etc but does not anywhere talk of exclusions based on branded titles? Where is this verbiage coming from around the branded titles if it is not in the settlement order specific to branded titles in there?
 

duratitus

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^^^ Good points there.

I think you might be on the right track, like you said, how would a new owner be able to prove whether it was operable. Also how could VW prove that is was not operable on 6/28/16?
 

2TDIguy

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I think anyone denied should argue the verbatim verbiage of the court order final approval order document, page 5 link I posted outlining eligible cars and it not having any verbiage around branded titles. It is worth a bit of effort as opposed to rolling over.
 

jamesehatcher

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Agree 100%......This same attorney told me that those turning the cars in for the buyback (clean or salvage) are doing VW a favor. She said the penalties that could be imposed on VW if they were not to meet the buyback quantities / fixes of 85% would make the $10B in buybacks seem like nothing.

Honestly, the best thing that VW TDI owners could do would be band together and demand more money.....but that would be same argument as stating that we as Americans should band together and demand our government back. Dang it....didn't mean to go political there....lets stay on topic
 

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I just spoke with an attorney who called from the San Francisco law firm. I had sent an email a week ago and heard only a canned reply, and resent a very brief, to the point email today.

Basically he gathered some info, mentioned the "10 business days" of the initial verbage, and then noted how may claim is right about 2 weeks past the 10 biz days.

He said in a recent conference (today/ystrdy), VW established they were "about 2 weeks" behind schedule. I almost audibly guffawed thinking about the people here who have waited longer than that since 11/1, but didn't because I'm still in this "2 weeks". I asked if that meant 10 business days or actually 2 weeks, and he basically said that that's not a hard number like what they tried to do in the settlement document, more like an "ish" kind of number.

As far as my claim being stalled on step 15, he asked several times if I was sure my docs were all clear and legible (yes), and ended by saying there wasn't anything he could officially do to expedite claims, and went as far as to say none of the firms involved had that channel. I requested, in a very nice way, for him to consider the circumstances unique to mine and many others' claims, and do what was needed to pointout/expedite/highlight these. He recommended I call the claims number and talk to a supervisor to check on my claim status. :)

He offered to make a note on my claim about our conversation, but didn't say if he would/could bring it to anyone's attention. Beyond that he just said "hang tight for a couple weeks", he wishes he could do more, and that everyone's waiting on VW to get it together.

He was a super nice guy, very friendly and eager to help, just unable to make any progress. Maybe I should try the other firm in Seattle.
 

tjsadler

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How is this info valid if the court order states 2.0L cars, dates, etc but does not anywhere talk of exclusions based on branded titles? Where is this verbiage coming from around the branded titles if it is not in the settlement order specific to branded titles in there?
The exclusions regarding branded titles are clearly spelled out in the settlement and restated in the post above. There is no real confusion on that if you've been reading or paying attention to the multiple threads on the subject. If you pull up the correct documents and search for "totaled" you'll find that the post above yours explains it quite nicely.

Jameshatcher that was an awesome breakdown of the settlement terms regarding salvaged titles! Good work!

As for "operable" on 6/28/16 I'm really curious how they would ask you to prove it. I personally made two videos of the car driving on that date. Mine was "totaled" on 6/23 but still "operable" per the settlement. I wasn't taking any chances with that much money on the line so I made video proof. :D
 
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tjsadler

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Mine has a previous Salvage title, titled and licenced on 5/13/2015 and still licenced and insured to this day. I uploaded my document images 6-7 weeks ago. I check it about every other day and it always says "under review". Anyone have input as to if I should qualify date wise?
To answer your question here. Yes you are 100% eligible if you've owned the car since then and still haven't sold it. Call the lawyers if you want confirmation.
 

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How is this info valid if the court order states 2.0L cars, dates, etc but does not anywhere talk of exclusions based on branded titles? Where is this verbiage coming from around the branded titles if it is not in the settlement order specific to branded titles in there?
But it is in the court order--it's in the definition of "operable", and the requirement that a vehicle be "operable" to be eligible for most of the class benefits.
 

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Appointment Confirmed 01/13/17

I am scheduled to turn in my salvage Jetta 01/13/17. The 20 step process is not much fun, however it is almost over.

Appointment Confirmed

(Step 19)


To make the BUYBACK experience a little quicker, please download the following closing documents by clicking on their respective DOWNLOAD links, print them, sign them and bring them with you at the scheduled dealership location on the day of your appointment. If for any reason you are unable to print them or forget to bring them with you, do not worry, we will print them at our dealership location.

 MILEAGE CERTIFICATION
 POWER OF ATTORNEY FOR TITLE
 CLOSING CHECKLIST

Step 20 will be turning it in.

Purchased 08/20013 with salvage title @78k miles Currently at 146k miles
Registered on the claims site 07/2016
Uploaded Documents 10/26/16
Marked Complete 11/21/16
Offer Letter 12/10/16
Notarized offer uploaded 12/10/16
Appointment email 12/14/16
Appointment scheduled 01/13/17
 

2TDIguy

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DanB36,

Agree on the "operable" topic. I am referring topic wise only to cars that have been branded salvage but being driven/ used and personally owned/ titled. Not wadded up cars sitting on a back lot somewhere at an insurance salvage pool facility. For instance my daughter drives a 2012 Optima that has a previous salvage title 100% based on hail damage. I had it PDR and bodywork repaired, she has drove it for 2 years since. It has a previous salvage title. Again in the court order document I see no reference to title branding status.
 

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The only reference to branded titles is wrt the requirement that a car be operable, and that's exactly what the post you were replying to was explaining.
 

tjsadler

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DanB36,

Agree on the "operable" topic. I am referring topic wise only to cars that have been branded salvage but being driven/ used and personally owned/ titled. Not wadded up cars sitting on a back lot somewhere at an insurance salvage pool facility. For instance my daughter drives a 2012 Optima that has a previous salvage title 100% based on hail damage. I had it PDR and bodywork repaired, she has drove it for 2 years since. It has a previous salvage title. Again in the court order document I see no reference to title branding status.
If you seriously can't find this info after all this information has been handed to you and you've been told what to search for then just call the lawyers yourself and ask. You've asked, been told, asked again, had it re-explained, asked again, another explanation, and you're still asking. Are you looking at the actual settlement documents? Or just the long form notice? You clearly don't believe us so call or email the lawyers yourself.
 

tjsadler

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Just got my offer letter!!! We have a notary at work so I was able to upload within half an hour of getting it. Now for the buyback appointment scheduling wait... Hopefully won't be too long but at this point I'm shooting for January since that drops me a mileage bucket and nets me ~$500 extra :
2014 Passat bought new 11/2013
"Totaled" on 6/23/16 but still "operable"
If you've been stuck for a long time with a salvage title I'd definitely try to contact the lawyers. One of them said they are looking for salvage title claims they can help push through to make sure VW is handling them correctly. She said to make your email short and to the point or it would end up at the bottom of the stack to work on :rolleyes:

Portal re-opened to step 19 last night. Buyback is now scheduled for 1/13/17 at my nearest (220 miles away) dealer. I'll be borrowing a truck from work and towing it there, unloading out front, and driving into the dealership lot. Will post pics and notes after.

Interestingly, there were NO appointments at any dealer within 300 miles of me (about 15 total) prior to 1/13. I know most people have reported the earliest appointments were about 2 weeks out. I'm not sure if they're just allowing for the holidays now or just that the Northern California area is saturated with TDI returns. Most of the dealers had 4-5 days a week available though so it would seem that there are a lot of buyback specialists in the area.
 
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I'm in this unique situation as some of you are as well, I spoke to the class attorneys prior to the settlement, any of use who have owned any rebuilt or salvage title vehicles prior to the news coming out are entitled to buyback, as we would have no knowledge that a problem existing to capitalize on the lower prices of these cars. Which makes complete sense, so I'm hoping to see some progress here on salvage or rebuilt title vehicles getting turned in. Going to put one of my in see if I get the green check marks as well.

please pm me keep me posted, I have bought a bunch since then that I'm hangning on to as investor. Once a lot are turned, no matter whats left over they will go up in price. Hopefully we all can get this done much quicker than has happened so far. Good Luck everyone.

my thought is there is no fix good enough for the epa, they will have to buy back all in some way or form in many years. If you buy a salvage or rebuilt now, u get the 100k and 2 year warrantee on the long block and emissions equipment, so not a bad deal either way you go.
 

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I've had one car approved for the buyback. It was a wrecked 11/28/15......total loss claim on 3/1/16 (title transferred to insurance company)......sold at auction 5/19/2016......I purchased from the guy that fixed it up on 7/6/16. I really think that as long as the car had a clean title on 9/18/15.....doesn't matter when it was totaled as long as it operable when turned in.
 
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Has anyone been asked about providing prior registration? I'm guessing this is their way of verifying that it was registered on June 28th (or held by non VW dealer). If so, how did you go about obtaining it?
 

duratitus

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I have salvage title, I am at step 18 (select dealer for drop off appointment)
Are you a dealer, did you own the car before the title was salvaged, or how were you able to submit a registration?

I have a salvage title car and am looking for info before I try to submit my claim. Thanks!
 

purduecrew

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Are you a dealer, did you own the car before the title was salvaged, or how were you able to submit a registration?

I have a salvage title car and am looking for info before I try to submit my claim. Thanks!

If you own it, why not just submit the claim?
 

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Still at 15/green checks. Is that where most of us are stuck, still? I'm guessing I won't be turning our car in until March. I'm just hoping I don't run into the cold weather storage issues that a lot of people have encountered. We don't want to be running the car thanks to a low-speed mystery clunk that we suspect would be a $$ fix.
 

duratitus

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If you own it, why not just submit the claim?
Because I thought I would have to submit proof of registration, and in order to do that in my state I would need to pass an inspection and obtain a rebuilt title.

If there is a way to submit a claim with a salvage title, and no registration, I would really like to know how he did it.

If i submit the claim, and don't have the correct documents, it will be a waste of time just to find out I should have had the car rebuilt first.......
 

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my understanding is you will need to have the car rebuilt first, the whole point is to take operable vehicles off the road. But that depends on when it was put on the salvage title.
 
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