Volkswagen agrees to deal with unions to cut 30,000 jobs

[turbovan+tdi]

Originally Posted by CsTDI

In the same group as the Ram, are also Mercedes and the Chevy Cruze...

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...er-doj-request
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hagens...163200629.html

What a load of crap, I bet 1% buy any diesels for clean tail pipe reasons, the rest buy for one thing, MPG.

[CsTDI]

not sure how many more anyone will be able to buy...

[rotarykid]

Originally Posted by flee

I'm just throwing this out there, rotarykid:
you know that repeating the same phrases over and over makes you seem nuts, right?

Your name calling is all well & good, but no one answered the question I posed....

Instead of calling me nuts, why don't one of you address the question I posed..??..

Passenger vehicles which were wrongly allowed to be labeled as truck loophole for industrial use class to get around emissions & CAFE laws in place which were sold in the 100s of millions(some loophole class claimed models were sold in the billions) which produced, still produce extreme amounts of pollution above the passenger class rules which should have been required!

So how is what VWAG did any different( no impact on actual air quality anywhere in the US) than what auto makers have for ~3 decades done using the loophole class for industrial use label on what were in fact passenger offerings skirt, ignore and exceed set passenger class vehicle limits by megatons, for close to ~3 decades of exceeding these same emissions laws.. .???????.....

Automakers are still being allowed to sell passenger vehicles labeled as loophole class offerings skirting passenger class CAFE rules! Where is the outrage on this...????....

How is what VWAG did any different( other than there was no real negative impact on actual air quality anywhere in the US)....

Compared to what auto makers have for ~3 decades now done by dishonestly using the loophole class for industrial use label to illegally sell what were in fact passenger offerings....

Passenger class offerings labeled as loophole for industrial use class to skirt, ignore and exceed set passenger class vehicle emissions limits by megatons & allowed to ignore CAFE rules which clearly applied to all passenger class offerings, for close to ~3 decades of exceeding these same emissions laws.. .???????.....

Only difference I see is that VWAG has been tied to the cross for doing this....While .... the EPA & CARB have looked the other way while these real pollution producers have been for ~3 decades now been given a pass@!@

Where is the outrage this deserves, and to me it actually deserves a little outrage,....

[CsTDI]

here is an overview which appears to come pretty much from the EPA website, that briefly describes a kind of allowed barter and trade of bin classifications: https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld_t2.php

what's not clear to me is who is allowed to participate in this (both domestic and foreign?) and whether the origin of not meeting bin classification/emissions standards (such as the '06V10TDIs and perhaps the current dieselgate class) was caused by the manufacturer failing to understand and self-assign to a bin class that would allow the real emissions to meet the standards? or not offsetting it with maybe electric models?, or whether their corporate fleet-average emissions was too high.

[Mike_04GolfTDI]

Originally Posted by rotarykid

Your name calling is all well & good, but no one answered the question I posed....

Instead of calling me nuts, why don't one of you address the question I posed..??..



Only difference I see is that VWAG has been tied to the cross for doing this....While .... the EPA & CARB have looked the other way while these real pollution producers have been for ~3 decades now been given a pass@!@

Where is the outrage this deserves, and to me it actually deserves a little outrage,....

I am outraged by our lack of diesel cars. I think we should use European emissions standards instead of EPA standards. Then we could have the same diesel cars that they have.

[Terrific-In-Tahoma]

Originally Posted by Mike_04GolfTDI

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle32922888/

The part that is missing is this part of the article:

The cuts came with a management pledge to create 9,000 new jobs in the area of battery production and mobility services at factories in Germany as part of efforts to shift towards electric and self-driving cars.

Emphasis is mine.

So, the long term thinking is that by improving the operating margin from 2% to 4%, they will have restored investor and regulator confidence, that the VW brand is not as tarnished, as other brands have become due to shady practices.

Now, If I was part of a region that produced vehicles, and the Consumer Demand warranted a shift, then would you not want the factories to be as efficient as possible?

I would hope that they would do this by a natural course of events, as demand wanes for a certain technology, then that particular segment (of the economy) would become diminished and no longer be competitive.

However, this is a world-wide problem, Population density, and the need to have 1,000s of people move in the most efficient means possible, and be as benign to the environment as possible.

In the urban environment, there will always be different needs, but if you look at the major world city populations, you will see that tailpipe emissions are only one way to restrict and change patterns of traffic use.

The cutting of 30,000 jobs in auto manufacture, means that there are now higher levels of competition for the remaining jobs, to produce x number of vehicles per unit time. (Hour , Shift, Day, Annually).

It is the level of production, with the labor(labour) component now being reduced where the overall cost of a vehicle, is the sum of the parts that go into the delivery of said vehicle.

Now, If the cost to manufacture, a fuel efficient, east to operate vehicle, goes up for one region(Europe) then the impact is that there will be additional demand on the other countries that supply the world market for vehicles, China, S.Korea, Japan, USA, Canada, India.

Since I live in Canada, I cheer for the local team, but unfortunately, for me there is no vehicle that is made domestically that fulfills my needs.

Indirectly, this is good news for the rest of the world-wide auto industry, perhaps, VW might consider opening a new plant in Canada to fulfill the need for the shift to electric and self driving vehicles.

[donDavide]

What happens when nobody buys the battery powered VeeDubs?

[piotrsko]

not an issue, there will always be a market for anything, although it may be very small. Look at how many safari's they actually sold.

[AnotherPerson]

Ford is coming in strong on some diesel development they are adapting from europe. Problem with battery cars will always be that as more people get them electrictity rates will go up and make it not worthwhile. Unless they put a huge motor like tesla did for performance.

[MarionCohrs]

there is available in the market but so limited and expect the higher price due to demand rates.

[narongc73]

Originally Posted by donDavide

What happens when nobody buys the battery powered VeeDubs?

Sucker born everyday.

[Technician!]

Anyone hear anything lately about the EPA and the Colorado river?
Oh, that's right. Do as I say and not as I do.

[wxman]

Originally Posted by Technician!

Anyone hear anything lately about the EPA and the Colorado river?

Oh, that's right. Do as I say and not as I do.

EPA denies $1 billion-plus in claims from toxic Colorado mine spill

[RNDDUDE]

Originally Posted by wxman

EPA denies $1 billion-plus in claims from toxic Colorado mine spill

Well, they should be held liable, but come on, 1 billion for lost wages?

[turbovan+tdi]

Good old EPA, hanging VW out to dry while they are doing more damage.

Originally Posted by RNDDUDE

Well, they should be held liable, but come on, 1 billion for lost wages?

It was for more than that and yeah, can easily see that much having to be paid out.