glenn1179
Veteran Member
I've got an AHU engine with about 180,000 on it I believe that became hard to start, smokes white (the type that burns the eyes and stinks of diesel) which dissipates when warm, and has a tick, that sounded loudest near the number 3 cylinder at the valve cover from what I can hear. The noise started 900 miles from home while trying to wrap up a 5000 mile road trip. I chose to drive it home, it made it but it isn't a happy engine. The power seemed ok, but the ticking never went away and when I got it back home it wouldn't start in about mid thirty degree weather easily without the block heater. The glow plugs are functional, but it would still require cranking and result in a very smokey start.
I have another AHU that has about 235,000 sitting in storage. I bought that car as a non-runner. I got it running by fixing the jammed fuel shutoff solenoid. The timing is erratic, I believe because the crankshaft gear has worn from the PO loosening the crank bolt trying to change the timing belt and troubleshoot the no start issue. I didn't have an extra bolt and gear on hand when I pulled the running engine and scrapped the rotted body. So, I'm looking for opinions, should I swap this engine in and put my smokey hard starting engine on the stand, or troubleshoot it further?
Here's what I've done so far.
1 can Diesel Purge fed directly. No change.
Loosened injector nut at each injector. They all caused the engine to stumble even more, but the ticking noise always persisted. The ticking I can hear at idle, I can't tell if it goes away at higher RPM, or if the engine noise just mask it.
Checked the timing in VCDS. It is slightly advanced, which is where I set it when I did the timing belt less then 8000 miles ago. (This vehicle is relatively new to me.)
I checked group 13 for injector balance. 2/3 numbers were always at 2.99 and the other was about 1.5 most of the time. Not good. I swapped injector 1 and 4 to see if the 2.99 would follow the injector, and I believe it did. Sometimes the numbers would change drastically, but then the engine would idle rough and tick even louder, so it was hard to tell.
Another reason I swapped 1 and 4 injectors is because there was a misfire DTC for number 4. After I swapped injectors, I was unable to reproduce that problem, but haven't had it running for very long and no road driving. I was beginning to learn that it wasn't just a nailing injector like I thought it might have been when I first heard it.
I swapped the number 3 injector with a backup that was pulled from a running engine about 10 years ago. The group 13 numbers and engine ticking persisted.
I scrolled through the other groups in VCDS, but nothing caught my eye. I'm no expert though.
Next I got my compression tester out. By this point I didn't want to run it very much, so I tested on a cold engine in about 40 degree weather.
I do have a home made adapter which doesn't take up the volume of the glow plug in the cylinder. To get a feel for how much that affected things, I tested on a AHU that runs ok, but is probably pretty worn out too with about 400,000 on it. I only tested 1 cylinder there because the glow plug harness was crunchy and this one is my current daily driver. I also tested it cold and it had a compression of 210 in about 45 degree weather.
I thought I should treat myself and bought a Harbor Freight kit for $25 after discount to get the proper adapter. The adapter has a different size connector then my gauge. I used the Harbor Freight gauge on cylinder 1 and it got to 210 on my smokey hard starting AHU, released the pressure and the gauge won't hold pressure anymore. Usually it is the schraeder valve that leaks, but I couldn't figure out how to tighten this one. I'll just return it and trust the numbers I have unless someone has a better idea.
I don't have a leak-down tester, so I did the poor man's version of it. I aligned the cam lobes on the number 3 cylinder upwards and used my compressor to blow air into the number 3 cylinder. I believe I heard air via the dipstick tube and the crankcase vent tube that goes up to the hockey puck on the valve cover. I don't think I heard it out the intake. First time I've done this process so I may not have it right.
I didn't pull the cam, but I did inspect the cam followers and cam. They did look fine to my untrained eye. I also made sure that the followers for cylinder 3 rotated via my fingers in the bore. I pressed down on them with my fingers and they didn't wiggle, but I didn't get a piece of wood to be able to apply more force.
I also didn't notice any damage on any glow plugs or injectors I pulled.
Thanks for reading this novel of a post. If you got this far, please share your opinion on what to do next or what additional information I should try to gather. (I'll hold off sharing on what I think I would do for a bit so I don't taint people's opinions.)
I have another AHU that has about 235,000 sitting in storage. I bought that car as a non-runner. I got it running by fixing the jammed fuel shutoff solenoid. The timing is erratic, I believe because the crankshaft gear has worn from the PO loosening the crank bolt trying to change the timing belt and troubleshoot the no start issue. I didn't have an extra bolt and gear on hand when I pulled the running engine and scrapped the rotted body. So, I'm looking for opinions, should I swap this engine in and put my smokey hard starting engine on the stand, or troubleshoot it further?
Here's what I've done so far.
1 can Diesel Purge fed directly. No change.
Loosened injector nut at each injector. They all caused the engine to stumble even more, but the ticking noise always persisted. The ticking I can hear at idle, I can't tell if it goes away at higher RPM, or if the engine noise just mask it.
Checked the timing in VCDS. It is slightly advanced, which is where I set it when I did the timing belt less then 8000 miles ago. (This vehicle is relatively new to me.)
I checked group 13 for injector balance. 2/3 numbers were always at 2.99 and the other was about 1.5 most of the time. Not good. I swapped injector 1 and 4 to see if the 2.99 would follow the injector, and I believe it did. Sometimes the numbers would change drastically, but then the engine would idle rough and tick even louder, so it was hard to tell.
Another reason I swapped 1 and 4 injectors is because there was a misfire DTC for number 4. After I swapped injectors, I was unable to reproduce that problem, but haven't had it running for very long and no road driving. I was beginning to learn that it wasn't just a nailing injector like I thought it might have been when I first heard it.
I swapped the number 3 injector with a backup that was pulled from a running engine about 10 years ago. The group 13 numbers and engine ticking persisted.
I scrolled through the other groups in VCDS, but nothing caught my eye. I'm no expert though.
Next I got my compression tester out. By this point I didn't want to run it very much, so I tested on a cold engine in about 40 degree weather.
1 - 250 (oiled 315)
2 - 250
3 - 90 (oiled 190)
4 - 250
Oiled means I added a couple drops of oil to the cylinder to see how it affects the numbers. I did 2 cylinders to learn how it affected the low cylinder and a "good" cylinder. (I know all my numbers are low.)2 - 250
3 - 90 (oiled 190)
4 - 250
I do have a home made adapter which doesn't take up the volume of the glow plug in the cylinder. To get a feel for how much that affected things, I tested on a AHU that runs ok, but is probably pretty worn out too with about 400,000 on it. I only tested 1 cylinder there because the glow plug harness was crunchy and this one is my current daily driver. I also tested it cold and it had a compression of 210 in about 45 degree weather.
I thought I should treat myself and bought a Harbor Freight kit for $25 after discount to get the proper adapter. The adapter has a different size connector then my gauge. I used the Harbor Freight gauge on cylinder 1 and it got to 210 on my smokey hard starting AHU, released the pressure and the gauge won't hold pressure anymore. Usually it is the schraeder valve that leaks, but I couldn't figure out how to tighten this one. I'll just return it and trust the numbers I have unless someone has a better idea.
I don't have a leak-down tester, so I did the poor man's version of it. I aligned the cam lobes on the number 3 cylinder upwards and used my compressor to blow air into the number 3 cylinder. I believe I heard air via the dipstick tube and the crankcase vent tube that goes up to the hockey puck on the valve cover. I don't think I heard it out the intake. First time I've done this process so I may not have it right.
I didn't pull the cam, but I did inspect the cam followers and cam. They did look fine to my untrained eye. I also made sure that the followers for cylinder 3 rotated via my fingers in the bore. I pressed down on them with my fingers and they didn't wiggle, but I didn't get a piece of wood to be able to apply more force.
I also didn't notice any damage on any glow plugs or injectors I pulled.
Thanks for reading this novel of a post. If you got this far, please share your opinion on what to do next or what additional information I should try to gather. (I'll hold off sharing on what I think I would do for a bit so I don't taint people's opinions.)