01m still wont shift right after full rebuild :(

I have a 1994 VW Caravelle I think you guys will know this as the Eurovan?

It has a 2.4d non turbo AAB code 5 pot diesel motor and a 4 speed 01m 098 CFZ code transmission.

Its been off the road now for nearly 2 months after transmission failure resulting in the Differential failing

Just prior to this it was starting to over rev in 3rd and change up to 4th harsh with a bump

When it failed we had to be recovered to our local garage we have used for years but they don't do trannys so contracted out the job.

Once the trans had a full rebuild the trans shop told us they still wanted full payment but it still jumped 3rd -4th.

We said we wouldn't pay unless they fixed it properly so then they started guessing saying it was the TPS and replaced it at their cost.

we now have it back but they lied they said the TPS fixed it but its still harsh 3rd-4th revving up to 3500rpm sometimes in 3rd

The famous ev6 has been replaced (or so they say)

We just want this right but they are saying its an electrical problem and the trans ran OK on the bench?

We have the Van back as we don't think we would of ever saw it again if we hadn't payed them but its cost us $3000 just to get it back with the same 3rd-4th problem

Any thoughts or advice?

Hopefully low cost as we cant afford much more as this unsuccessful rebuild has wiped us out

Jodie

This is certainly worth a small claims (SC) case.
You have clear grounds for a SC case.
Pay the filing fee and go to court.
No lawyer (on either side).
Gather all your documentation and take them to court.

Your shop subcontracted the tranny rebuild to a specialist shop, that specialist shop should be on the hook for the quality of the rebuild. Tricky then deciding who pays for another tranny swap, but that should be between your shop and the tranny shop. Your shop should guarantee a satisfactory rebuild and sort out the details without you being involved.

It's well known that not all rebuilds go perfectly, shops understand this and build into their pricing enough to cover the few that go badly. But they, not you, should sort this out.

From what I have heard, rebuilding an 01M is a waste of time. Better to buy a brand new tranny or convert to manual.

That is really to funny. "the trans ran OK on the bench". There isn't a transmission shop on the planet that could bench test a tranny. Ask to see their tranny dyno.

Your tranny shop is in CYA mode and will be zero help. Tranny shop: "Oh so sorry, we did a rebuild that is not recommended and the rebuild failed, but still you have to pay. We will be jacking you around until the end of time until you go away"..............

Just ran a Vagcom scan and got the following code....

TPS Related and the same code before the Trans was rebuilt...........

The TPS was replaced by a VW Main agent at the Tranny shop's expense they never asked them to test the original just replace it

The Original TPS was in the Glovebox when i got the vehicle back,i tested the original there was nothing wrong with it

Wiring from the TPS?

Ol'Rattler said:

From what I have heard, rebuilding an 01M is a waste of time. Better to buy a brand new tranny or convert to manual.

That is really to funny. "the trans ran OK on the bench". There isn't a transmission shop on the planet that could bench test a tranny. Ask to see their tranny dyno.

Your tranny shop is in CYA mode and will be zero help. Tranny shop: "Oh so sorry, we did a rebuild that is not recommended and the rebuild failed, but still you have to pay. We will be jacking you around until the end of time until you go away"..............

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Cant afford a new Tranny and due to a lifetime disability ill never be able to drive manual

It really sucks that there are shops that victimize people just because they can. With an O1M, a rebuild should have never been suggested. If the rebuild had worked, it would not have worked for long.

Ol'Rattler said:

That is really to funny. "the trans ran OK on the bench". There isn't a transmission shop on the planet that could bench test a tranny. Ask to see their tranny dyno.

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Actually, the tranny shop here in Bend has a dyno that they run their transmissions on. Of course that doesn't mean that the O1M will last, only that it worked when it left. I think their warranty is two years, but it may be three.

Here are some links with documentation on the 01M transmission. I don't think they list you particular flavor of 01M but it is a good start:

http://veedubz.co.za/tech/VW%20Hayne...%20-%2001M.pdf
https://www.automaticchoice.com/uplo...ogue/vw01m.pdf
http://www.all-trans.by/assets/site/...CH%20GUIDE.pdf
http://www.atra.com/manuals/individu...3/2003-270.pdf
http://www.mikegabriel.net/vw/bentle...ansmission.pdf
http://www.transmax.co.nz/files/2713.../vwaudi_me.pdf

Given that you have a known good TPS then doing continuity and Isolation chdcks on the wiring harness to this sensor is the next step. Pay particcular attention to the electrical connectors since this is where damage is likely to occur. Some shops have a tough time reconnecting the electrical harnesses so make sure that the connectors are well seated. I would try and do some troublshooting outside the transmission here as it could payoff.
If solving the 660 F/C does not get rid of the flairing or hard shifts you may have a valve body problem. Then the next thing to do would be to change out the valve body. This is much less involved that changing the entire transmission.
Lastly when is the problem worst? When cold? hot?
The bigest problem in remanufacturing the 01M is getting the valve body right. Problems here lead to more come backs than anything else.

Ol' Rattler,

Transmission remaunfacturers and re-builders have transmission dynos that let you run an automatic transmission through its gears to verify proper operation just like these: http://www.superflow.com/Dynamometers/transmission/index.php. No automatic transmission remaunfacturer could operate with out them.
The problems come in when the problem manifests its self due to environmental extremes not experienced on the shop floor and inability to tests the mechanical and electrical interfaces with the vehicle being repaired. The VW 01M as stated has a valve body prone to wear and seals that do not like heat. Both problems lead to short transmission lives but nothing stops them from being repaired. Read the links for more information.

Thanks Guyz

I joined TDICLUB because over here in the UK forums tend to be Anti Automatic

I never expected so much negativity

Thank You VLS_GUY for your positivity

I have been advised to check the wiring,I must admit though I am not good at this sort of thing and Auto Electrician Bills often resemble cell phone numbers rather than a bill

If i can eliminate the wiring then it can only be the Valve Body in which case the shop can have the vehicle back and sort that as we have already paid them to do so

Think this may be the last VW Auto I will have,I am sick to the back teeth of it already........................

If i was over there, I would help you if I could. Like any car, the problem isn't straight forward. Wish I could help. A different shop may have a different perspective.

Joloke,

If you don't mind me asking what did it cost to rebuild the 01M in the UK?

VLS_GUY said:

Joloke,

If you don't mind me asking what did it cost to rebuild the 01M in the UK?

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According to exchange rate today it was $3625 or £2160 UK Sterling

Which wouldn't of been so bad if they had actually fixed it

But to pay that and have it handed back with Harsh 3rd-4th is a real kick in the guts

we are scared to take it back there because now its been payed for they will probably try to get us to pay more to fix what they should of done in the first place

There's just no justice

Part of me wants to scrap the Van but we have over $6000 tied up in him

I cant drive a Manual due to my disabilities so no automatic no van

Just washed him hes a solid Bus I look at him and don't want to scrap him but I am so fed up.....................

here he is looking so happy yet hes so sad like me because I miss driving him

The prices on a reman stock 01M from a rebuilder vary from $ 1800 to 2000 depending on the location in the United States. Figure about $900 to R&R the transmission. This does not include labor for swapping out a bad valve body if the one that came with the unit is bad (a contingency you have to consider). This is still cheaper tha the reman from VW which is $ 4,395. The VW reman units likely have new valvebodies meaning they have fewer call backs. The prices spread means that you can still have a call back to fix the valve body and still be money ahead.
What does VW want fora reman unit in the UK?

VLS_GUY said:

The prices on a reman stock 01M from a rebuilder vary from $ 1800 to 2000 depending on the location in the United States. Figure about $900 to R&R the transmission. This does not include labor for swapping out a bad valve body if the one that came with the unit is bad (a contingency you have to consider). This is still cheaper than the reman from VW which is $ 4,395. The VW reman units likely have new valvebodies meaning they have fewer call backs. The prices spread means that you can still have a call back to fix the valve body and still be money ahead.
What does VW want fora reman unit in the UK?

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Have to be honest we never asked VW due to the high cost of their parts and servicing.

We have a 11 month old Golf,we change them every couple of years and get them with a fixed service package otherwise at VW prices we would soon be eating Bread and Water

Maybe we should of asked but its too late now

Call me naive but I payed to have the transmission fixed properly,if the valve body is no good and they did nothing about it surely I am entitled to have this put right at no extra cost as its internal to the box and they state they replace any parts that need replacement???

If they failed to do so and this is the cause are they not in breach of Contract?

I find it hard to believe anybody can charge you to fix an issue and hand the vehicle back still with related issues

I didn't tell them to fit a recon unit they diagnosed it was the only option to fix it......

which of course it didnt

Make sure these guys know how to do the work. Is the garage qpproved by the Motor Industry Code of Practice for Service and Repair? The guide: http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/engla...cles_e/cars_garage_repairs_and_services_e.htm If so they have a method for resolving complaints. See what they can do for you brfore doing anything drastic as the problem may not be the transmission itself.

Have you discussed this with the shop? Have they refused to make it right?

FYI that trans isn't a 01m. Its a 098 or 01P. (yes I know its virtually the same as a 01m)

Heard this exact same story from a guy who called me from Australia.

and it goes like this.

trans failed.
ma/pa shop tries to rebuild.
FAIL.
repeated attempts result in FAIL.

Lots of money down the tubes. Lots of time lost without the vehicle.

This is my general opinion of the Eurovan trans. (vehicles are too heavy for the trans). Now a good guy could make them work but........

CoolAirVw said:

FYI that trans isn't a 01m. Its a 098 or 01P. (yes I know its virtually the same as a 01m)

Heard this exact same story from a guy who called me from Australia.

and it goes like this.

trans failed.
ma/pa shop tries to rebuild.
FAIL.
repeated attempts result in FAIL.

Lots of money down the tubes. Lots of time lost without the vehicle.

This is my general opinion of the Eurovan trans. (vehicles are too heavy for the trans). Now a good guy could make them work but........

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Listen to what he has to say. He knows what he is talking about.

CoolAir VW,

Is your but on saying how la good techcan keep one going.. But for how long?
Since you rebuild the 096 and the 01M what would you do to improve the lifespan of the AT?

VLS_GUY said:

CoolAir VW,

Is your but on saying how la good techcan keep one going.. But for how long?
Since you rebuild the 096 and the 01M what would you do to improve the lifespan of the AT?

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My comment is only regarding the 01P/098 in the EV. 01m in a jetta/beetle/golf isn't the best trans but it isnt the worst trans out there either. Rebuilders do seem to have problems making them right.

Heres info from my site on 01P EV (not much there yet)
http://kansascitytdi.com/01p-eurovan-faq/

FYI, I just looked at your page, and it was contaminated wit 'dick pill' spam . . . So you might want to take a look.

- Tim

It seems fine when I look? did you click the link above?

tadawson said:

FYI, I just looked at your page, and it was contaminated wit 'dick pill' spam . . . So you might want to take a look.

- Tim

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Didn't see any adds or spam either.

Must be something to do with your browser.

The browser is clean, and the spam comes up ghosted over the photo and to it's right, and only on this. Also not running Win, so not infected . . . If you don't care, I certainly don't, and it's still there as of 30 secs ago.

- Tim

CoolAirVw said:

It seems fine when I look? did you click the link above?

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Yes, that exact link . . .

- Tim

CoolAir's site looks fine to me. "Zero ads blocked on this page."

fine here too.

My Van went into our local Garage yesterday who contracted out to the Trans Shop. They are non too pleased as they have been putting business there way for years so they are on our side.

Id had suggestions to check the TCM Connections so they removed that and checked them and they are all good

They checked the TCM and all appears well

Then they Pulled the round plug from the Transmission Case it was spotless as was the socket...........

They then checked the Resistance on the Pins

Pin 1 grounded with pins 3,4,5,7 and 10 all came in around the 60 something ohms range

Pin 2 and 8 came in at 6 ohms

Pin 1-6 was giving funny readings.............

This is EV4 its supposed to be roughly the same as EV6 in resistance but was checked 4 times and each time gave different results ranging 36,71,75 ohms.

During one of the tests the multimeter was fluctuating refusing to rest bouncing between 30-nearly 80 ohms.

Baring in mind this socket is connected to the internal wiring and solenoids theres a reason for these reading internally?

On my Van Upshift 1-2-3 id fine and silky smooth 3-4 isnt and its had a full rebuild???

Downshift 4-3-2-1 is silky smooth too

The Trans Shop kept spouting that the Trans has been fully rebuilt and has an external issue but every external chain has been checked and appears to be right but this Resistance on Pins 1-6 (Ev4) clearly isn't

Surely they cannot wriggle out of this one?

The issue is showing up at the transmission case socket no external wiring involved

Any thoughts guys and what would EV4 be doing during 3rd-4th upshift?