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Old April 8th, 2008, 10:35   #1501
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Just had my most expensive fill-up ever! Paid $52.40 for 13.7gal of diesel ($3.809 per gal), I have seen several stations in the area over $4 gal.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 10:47   #1502
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Just had my most expensive fill-up ever! Paid $52.40 for 13.7gal of diesel ($3.809 per gal), I have seen several stations in the area over $4 gal.
Ahhhh, the good ole days of $3.809 pg just kidding.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 12:47   #1503
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When I bought my first Jetta TDI in 1997 diesel fuel prices were well under gas prices. Now it is about 70 cents over gas here, near Milwaukee, at about $4.05. I want an electric car. Not diesel, not hybrid. A true electric car like the Tesla Roadster, but not at $98,000

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Old April 8th, 2008, 16:08   #1504
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Price jumped 10 cents in one day Monday. RUG went up 2 cents.

RUG = $3.63

ULSD = $4.19

John Jackson, San Diego
I must have missed it. Looks like the AAA website shows a 1 cent increase. Flying J travel centers up north raised their prices by 2 cents. I'm not seeing any stations under $4.00, but still quite a few under $4.10.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 18:09   #1505
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ARCO station on Miramar Road at I 15. Just a couple of miles from home. There are several stations on Poway Road or Scripps Poway Parkway that are a couple of cents cheaper at times.

To me the interesting thing is the 5 10 or 15 cent jump in price at any given time. Gas prices jump more frequently, but in smaller amounts.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 19:38   #1506
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For what ever it is worth.

Last year, the diesel price was stuck at $2.999 a gallon, while RUG went to new heights.

So I spent a bunch of money to buy my 96 B4V, just to get out of the gasoline market. Well, now I am looking at my Honda Trail 90 to comute to work and thinking hard about buying a smart diesel in Canada to bring home.

Sheesh, my better half drives a 2003 Camry that gets 26 mpg on her comute to San Diego State. My Passat gets about 38 mpg. My SUV tow vehicle for the trailer gets 14+ mpg when towing the trailer, 18 mpg when not towing. The pickup gas consumption doesn't really matter because it does not get driven much more than 3K miles per year.

Still, fuel prices are not forcing me to change shopping habits. But they are starting to be a concern to me.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 19:42   #1507
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Owwwwww...........my ass. Just paid $70 to fill my 97 Passat.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 20:06   #1508
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For what ever it is worth.

Last year, the diesel price was stuck at $2.999 a gallon, while RUG went to new heights.

So I spent a bunch of money to buy my 96 B4V, just to get out of the gasoline market. Well, now I am looking at my Honda Trail 90 to comute to work and thinking hard about buying a smart diesel in Canada to bring home.

Sheesh, my better half drives a 2003 Camry that gets 26 mpg on her comute to San Diego State. My Passat gets about 38 mpg. My SUV tow vehicle for the trailer gets 14+ mpg when towing the trailer, 18 mpg when not towing. The pickup gas consumption doesn't really matter because it does not get driven much more than 3K miles per year.

Still, fuel prices are not forcing me to change shopping habits. But they are starting to be a concern to me.
At 38 mpg, you are still only paying about 10.5 cents/mile, while your wife's Camry is costing about 14 cents/mile.

If you are in the Miramar/Mira Mesa/Scripps/Rancho Penasquitos/Poway area, you have a pretty good choice of reasonably priced stations. The USA station on Scripps-Poway is usually the cheapest for diesel -- I have no idea which stations have the cheapest gasoline.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 06:42   #1509
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Macon, Georgia (yeah, I won't be hurt if you've never heard of it )

Diesel is right around $4 give or take 7 cents. It's killin me because the savings isn't as great now - still get about 39-40mpg in the PD Passat wagon, but still aiight
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Old April 9th, 2008, 19:24   #1510
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USA still has it easy...Canadians have to pay freaking taxes up the wazooo too.

$1.34/L @ 3.8L/Gallon = $5.09/Gallon

Shoot me now!!!!

We are supposed to be heading to $1.50/L ($5.70/Gallon) in the summer.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 20:47   #1511
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I'll trade you a few gallons for a few trips to the doctor... Even trade

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USA still has it easy...Canadians have to pay freaking taxes up the wazooo too.

$1.34/L @ 3.8L/Gallon = $5.09/Gallon

Shoot me now!!!!

We are supposed to be heading to $1.50/L ($5.70/Gallon) in the summer.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 21:13   #1512
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They were talking about rising gas prices on the local news tonight in a feed they carry (Cavuto reports, or something like that) and what caught my eye were a couple of stations where the spread between gas and diesel was only 30 cents. One was Valero, don't remember other one.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 22:06   #1513
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They were talking about rising gas prices on the local news tonight in a feed they carry (Cavuto reports, or something like that) and what caught my eye were a couple of stations where the spread between gas and diesel was only 30 cents. One was Valero, don't remember other one.
Nationally, the spread is about 70 cents according to AAA, about 62 cents according to the Energy Information Agency. State by state, there are only a couple where the spread is around 50.

Crude set life-of-contract highs on Wednesday. RUG was up about 4 cents, diesel up about 12. So I'm guessing the next move will be a widening of the spread, with both gas and diesel going up but diesel going up faster.

I don't see anything that that turn this situation around. With gasoline so cheap compared to crude oil, refiners have zero incentive to process any crude at all. Even with gasoline stocks down five weeks in a row, there is still more than than last year and more than the the five-year average. Refiners make money selling diesel and other distillates, but what are they going to do with all the gasoline?

This is turning into a long-term problem, not something that can be turned around in a few weeks. The only good news is that the high price of diesel is going to strongly motivate oil companies to convert their refineries to get more diesel and less gasoline out of each barrel of crude. This will take a couple years, but it has to be done.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 22:36   #1514
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The oversupply of gasoline will also allow refiners to schedule maintenance turnarounds without too much hassle or cost pressure. My neighbor works for a refinery maintenance company and they are lining up some big valve changeouts. They told the employees to not plan on taking a lot of vacation this summer.
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Old April 10th, 2008, 07:28   #1515
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That's the real problem-there's a surplus of gas, so they cut production at the refineries which means less diesel. I'm sure they wish they could flick a switch and go 100% diesel right now. There's no market for excess gas-Europe doesn't want it. According a report I read last week, diesel from Europe has too much sulfur to pass our standards so they can't ship it here.
Our spread here in Chicago is around 70 cents, which is why the video surprised me. The gas price was 3.59, diesel 3.79 so it's not like it's old footage. I wish I lived wherever they shot it. $4.39 D2 here a few days ago by my house.
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