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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old June 7th, 2016, 12:14   #1
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Default How to retrieve original PIN for IMMO-3 without original Instrument Cluster

My original instrument cluster is unreadable and therefore, I cannot get the original SKC or PIN belonging to the car in order to complete my swap with a new (used) cluster. I was able to get the PIN out of the new cluster, but I need to somehow obtain the original PIN in order to adapt the new cluster via VCDS instruments (17) adaptation (050) to set it up with the original PIN. I am able to physically change the code of the new cluster to match IMMO-ID and VIN appearing in the ECU, but that is not enough to allow me to match keys to the car (FYI, I could go through the key matching process with new tranponder chips, and everything seemed normal, but as soon as I reinserted the keys, the IMMO light blinked again).

Basically, I think I need to read the original code off of the ECU, or I read somewhere that the code is linked to and can be read from the cutout in the keys. I used VAG EEPROM PROGRAMMER to read the Dash and get the login for the new cluster, but cannot use it to read the ECU. Does anyone know how to either read the ECU via the OBDII port and some program or how to read the keys based off of a picture?? Any help would be greatly appreciated. And no, I don't want to spend an arm and leg and the dealership let alone not being able to drive my car there because of the IMMO.

This is my latest Auto-Scan with the IMMO-ID and VIN matched only because I manually changed the code in the new cluster hoping it would help, but apparently the pin also has to match in both the cluster and ECU.

VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Monday, 06 June 2016, 22:29:37:64382


Chassis Type: 9M - VW Jetta IV
Scan: 01,02,03,08,09,15,16,17,19,22,29,35,36,37,39,46,47 ,55,56,57,75,76

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!
Controller: 038 906 012 GN
Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG 4308
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 62B7D2F5FD57
3VWSP69M23M153619 VWZ7Z0B5950793
1 Fault Found:
17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
P1570 - 35-00 - -
Readiness: N/A

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: None
Controller: 1C0 907 379 M
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0102
Coding: 0019458
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 341B64AD1723
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
Controller: 1C0 909 605 F
Component: 04 AIRBAG VW61 0202 0001
Coding: 12340
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 272183E1D6F5
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.LBL
Controller: 1J0 907 487 A
Component: Lenkradelektronik 0005
Coding: 00118
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 2F116BC1FE05
No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.LBL
Controller: 1J0 920 906 L
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V58
Coding: 07232
Shop #: WSC 26071
VCID: 31156DB9E831
3VWSP69M23M153619 VWZ7Z0B5950793
1 Fault Found:
01177 - Engine Control Unit
65-10 - Unauthorized - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
Controller: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00006
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: F09328BDA3BB
No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1C0-959-799.LBL
Controller: 1C0 959 799 C
Component: 1H KomfortgerŠt HLO 0003
Coding: 00258
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 370153A10655
No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.LBL
Controller: 3B7 035 180 E
Component: RADIO 3CP 0004
Coding: 04031
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 223792F5BDD7
1 Fault Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
36-00 - Open Circuit

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Old June 7th, 2016, 19:31   #2
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I am glad to say that I have figured it out. Someone sent me the program, VAG Commander, with which I pulled the PIN off of the ECU. Then, with the keys with the original transponder chips in them I adapted the new cluster to the ecu via VCDS-Instruments(17)-Adaptation-Channel 50, where I input the PIN that I retrieved off of the ECU. Then, I rematched my original keys with the old transponders to the cluster and everything works, even the IMMO. I did not need to program new keys (transponder chips).
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Old June 19th, 2016, 15:45   #4
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My original instrument cluster is unreadable and therefore, I cannot get the original SKC or PIN belonging to the car in order to complete my swap with a new (used) cluster. I was able to get the PIN out of the new cluster, but I need to somehow obtain the original PIN in order to adapt the new cluster via VCDS instruments (17) adaptation (050) to set it up with the original PIN. I am able to physically change the code of the new cluster to match IMMO-ID and VIN appearing in the ECU, but that is not enough to allow me to match keys to the car (FYI, I could go through the key matching process with new tranponder chips, and everything seemed normal, but as soon as I reinserted the keys, the IMMO light blinked again).
Basically, I think I need to read the original code off of the ECU, or I read somewhere that the code is linked to and can be read from the cutout in the keys. I used VAG EEPROM PROGRAMMER to read the Dash and get the login for the new cluster, but cannot use it to read the ECU. Does anyone know how to either read the ECU via the OBDII port and some program or how to read the keys based off of a picture?? Any help would be greatly appreciated. And no, I don't want to spend an arm and leg and the dealership let alone not being able to drive my car there because of the IMMO.
This is my latest Auto-Scan with the IMMO-ID and VIN matched only because I manually changed the code in the new cluster hoping it would help, but apparently the pin also has to match in both the cluster and ECU.
VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Monday, 06 June 2016, 22:29:37:64382
Chassis Type: 9M - VW Jetta IV
Scan: 01,02,03,08,09,15,16,17,19,22,29,35,36,37,39,46,47 ,55,56,57,75,76
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!
Controller: 038 906 012 GN
Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG 4308
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 62B7D2F5FD57
3VWSP69M23M153619 VWZ7Z0B5950793
1 Fault Found:
17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
P1570 - 35-00 - -
Readiness: N/A
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: None
Controller: 1C0 907 379 M
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0102
Coding: 0019458
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 341B64AD1723
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
Controller: 1C0 909 605 F
Component: 04 AIRBAG VW61 0202 0001
Coding: 12340
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 272183E1D6F5
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.LBL
Controller: 1J0 907 487 A
Component: Lenkradelektronik 0005
Coding: 00118
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 2F116BC1FE05
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.LBL
Controller: 1J0 920 906 L
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V58
Coding: 07232
Shop #: WSC 26071
VCID: 31156DB9E831
3VWSP69M23M153619 VWZ7Z0B5950793
1 Fault Found:
01177 - Engine Control Unit
65-10 - Unauthorized - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
Controller: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00006
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: F09328BDA3BB
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1C0-959-799.LBL
Controller: 1C0 959 799 C
Component: 1H KomfortgerŠt HLO 0003
Coding: 00258
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 370153A10655
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.LBL
Controller: 3B7 035 180 E
Component: RADIO 3CP 0004
Coding: 04031
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 223792F5BDD7
1 Fault Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
36-00 - Open Circuit
End --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
hello am new hear and just checking if you could give me some advice please. i have a faulty a4 b6 faulty instrument cluster that i am planning to change with a used replacement one i have purchased but it did not come with the pincode. is their a way i can pull the pin from the new cluster without the donor car. many thanks in advance
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Old June 19th, 2016, 15:46   #5
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hello am new hear and just checking if you could give me some advice please. i have a faulty a4 b6 faulty instrument cluster that i am planning to change with a used replacement one i have purchased but it did not come with the pincode. is their a way i can pull the pin from the new cluster without the donor car. many thanks in advance
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Old June 19th, 2016, 16:52   #6
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I assume it would be same procedure for the B6, but I learned what needed to be done on a '03 Jetta. Anyway, first you will need an interface cable like this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/331795612427...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
and I used a couple of different programs. If your old instrument cluster is still allowing communication thru the OBD port, it will be easier for you than it was for me. It is easiest using VCDS-lite (registered version - $99) to adapt the used cluster. However, to obtain your current, original pin stored in the original cluster and ECU, you will need to use VAG EEPROM PROGRAMMER as described in this post: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...er-Replacement to obtain the pin code (0####). You can then plug in the used cluster and do the same thing to find that cluster's code. Then using VCDS, you will adapt the new (used) cluster using this procedure and the 2 pins you just found: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...rument_Cluster
It sounds pretty confusing, and it would be possible to complete this w/o vcds and manually enter the new pin and VIN into the HEX code of the used cluster, however, that is sketchy and could mess things up. Also, with the VAG EEPROM PROGRAMMER, you can change the mileage of the used cluster to whatever you want. Again, I am assuming it will be the same procedure as to what I had for the model I had, however, things could differ slightly. I had to do a lot of homework and trial and error before I had success. PM me if you need more info or help.
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VCDS Cluster adaptation link: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...rument_Cluster) (first one was bad)
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Old June 19th, 2016, 16:54   #8
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It's not working for some reason, but if you just search for it, it's not hard to find.
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Old June 20th, 2016, 00:01   #9
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thank you for your replies . i will be working on this in next couple of day and give my feed back.
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