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VW MKVI-A6 Golf family including Jetta SportWagen (~ 2010-2014) Discussions area for A6/MkVI (2010-2014) Golf and Golf Wagons (Jetta Sportwagon in the USA).

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Old October 22nd, 2016, 13:03   #1
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Default BEST Suspension spring shock/strut Combo? Bilstein TC + VW Sport Springs

I want to put fresh shocks/struts in. I am sure the Koni Sports or Bilstein FD's are great,
but too much money. Seems like the Bilstein TC's are a nice upgrade to stock for good price.

I don't want a radical lowering, frankly I don't want it lower at all. The VW
sport springs seems to be the most mild springs with a 25mm lowering.

Does anyone have a comment on this combo Bilstein TC + VW sport spring?
Other combos? Should I stick with stock springs. I see some stock springs fail after 5-6 years.

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Manufacturer Number: 22-131614 strut, 19-127439 shock, with stock springs.
(OEM PN: 1T0 413 031 GG SACH, 1K0 512 013 AA SACH)

I put in the new rear shocks. Noticed the difference driving. The back was
getting more roll when driven hard in turns. New shocks & tires much improved.
See my videos below: 89K miles,OEM Sacks vs Bilstein

Compare Old vs New Shocks - VW Jetta SportWagen OEM SACH's vs NEW BILSTEIN's
VIDEO: **** https://youtu.be/uSLK7L8L64w ***** Shocks
VIDEO: **** https://youtu.be/I_7ZKxGALvw ***** Struts

I expected the Bilstein's to have stiffer valving per plan, but the OEM was really weak,
by comparison. Not sure that is normal, but the rebound was poor to nil. 89K I would
not expect them to be worn out, but it sure seems that way.

four cost $230 and I did not have to buy new springs. I will say if I had to
do over I'd get new bump stops rear. For struts do NOT reuse, get new upper
mount and bearings, with new bolts as recommended. Consider new boot.

Rear Shock


Rear Shock


Front strut - took me about 4 hours a side on average. Slow I know.


Front strut - Finished
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Old October 30th, 2016, 14:07   #2
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Hello,

Thanks for posting that up. I just upgraded to Bilstein HD's with stock springs in place, It felt amazing to drive like a sports car hence "SportWagen" which is truly fitting. Not friendly for a coffee cup on the cup holder without a lid on the top. HAHA! It held the road way better than her original shocks/struts at 233k and now 235k and drives much smoother. no more chattering from old shocks, thought it was bushing or something else that are going bad. I would say she drives a police car with heavy duty suspension. I used to own 2 ford crown victorias (2003-04) and 3 of 1994 Chevy Caprice LT1 9C1.....Perfect for my videophone job that carries 100-150 lbs of equipment.
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Old October 30th, 2016, 14:08   #3
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Oh by the way, stock springs should be fine as long as your car is rust free, no salt chewing on your springs.... as far as I know that is.
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 15:23   #4
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I got a great deal on the Bilsteins for the Audi A3, which fits the MK6 Jetta and MK6 Sportwagen.
It has 10% stiffer damping. I bought the shocks and struts separate, total cost all four corners $232.

Alt Part numbers: 22-131614, 19-127439

It's recommend you replace the strut mounts. I got an alternate number, which is same as Audi TT TT Quattro
which are stiffer. I purchased them from FCP Euro (4.9 Google rating). The price was well below what I was seeing
from other sources. They are made by Febi (short for the Ferdinand-Bilstein company). OEM's cost $70 or more.

Part Number 8J0412331

I plan on installing them myself since to install. I got quotes to install them and it was about $275 for front and $125 back.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 06:48   #5
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If you are speaking of the driver gear springs, I would NOT get them. I have them on bilstien sports and they bottom out everywhere. Its a PITA. They also end up being pretty low.
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Old November 4th, 2016, 11:20   #6
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If you are speaking of the driver gear springs, I would NOT get them. I
have them on bilstien sports and they bottom out everywhere. Its a PITA.
They also end up being pretty low.
Thanks a million. Yep I am going to stick with stock spring. Considering the
car has been though zero winter snow/salt days, should not be broke.

Just bought new strut mount, bearing, one time use bolts and tools. I have
a total of $388 into parts and tools. I am going to DIY. It looks straight
forward except for getting the axial bolt out and then torqued back + 90
degree.

The Bilstein TC "stock shocks" but for Audi A3 and suppose to be a little
stiffer by 10% than stock.... I just got new Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+
225/45ZR17, the handing is better...
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Old November 4th, 2016, 19:48   #7
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It's pretty easy, though I ended up removing the axles in order to get enough clearance to get the struts out. Not super difficult, but it does take the better part of a saturday morning and early afternoon.
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Old November 4th, 2016, 19:55   #8
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Yah the Driver Gear springs are crap. They are "designed to work with the factory shocks" which means they don't increase the spring rate. With a lower ride height and a similar spring rate, you just end up with less suspension travel. There is less distance from the bump stops, so any hard impact will be bone jarring as you have run out of suspension travel.
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Yah the Driver Gear springs are crap. They are "designed to work with the factory shocks" which means they don't increase the spring rate. With a lower ride height and a similar spring rate, you just end up with less suspension travel. There is less distance from the bump stops, so any hard impact will be bone jarring as you have run out of suspension travel.
^ This is exactly what I have observed. I can't understand how so many people are happy with them.... They must not actually drive their cars.
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The previous owner had Neuspeed Race springs with stock shocks on my JSW TDI. AT 140k miles, the ride was incredibly harsh, which initially lead me think the springs were too firm. I also noticed bottoming out, so that lead me to believe the shocks were blown. They were replaced with Koni Yellows, and I have to say the ride is VERY nice.
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Old November 11th, 2016, 03:42   #11
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The previous owner had Neuspeed Race springs with stock shocks on my
JSW TDI. AT 140k miles, the ride was incredibly harsh, which initially lead
me think the springs were too firm. I also noticed bottoming out, so that
lead me to believe the shocks were blown. They were replaced with Koni
Yellows, and I have to say the ride is VERY nice.
Great point. That is the takeaway. Be careful of suspension changes.
Springs and Dampers need to match, Stock shocks are good for stock
springs ONLY.

Now the question is does high performance dampers work with stock springs?

I don't want lower, stance. So stock springs are good for me, and stock
springs if they don't break or rust do settle slightly. I would love the back
to sit a 1" lower for a level stance. However when I load up the cargo area
full. it sits level.

I'm happy with stock handling, especially w/ new Mitch Pilot sport A/S +3.
The shocks I have are suppose to be 10% higher damping force. I am
hoping this modest change will work well. I have a total of $388 into parts
and tool. I am installing them... The prices I got for installation was $400
to $750. Suspension work is expensive.
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Find used Golf R springs. I put them on a 2011 JSW and they were great.
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Old November 12th, 2016, 14:27   #13
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Find used Golf R springs. I put them on a 2011 JSW and they were great.
What did it do for you? Lower? Stiffer? What Golf R year?

Gas engine is lighter, would the Golf R be stiff enough for front? Thanks for the tip.
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I am running a KW V2 Coilover setup that is only slightly lowered. The ride is a little bouncy due to the adjustment settings being turned up a bit. I added the some big sway bars and tighter control arm bushings.

The interesting thing to note is that when towing our trailer, we get hardly any droop in the back.

Tire size also makes a huge difference in the stiffness of the ride.
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BUMP See Post #1 for updated shock install
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