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WTB - MK4 Bora Jetta Hella Micro DE Fog Kit

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I saw someone selling a new MK4 Golf kit, so maybe that's an omen I can find the Bora/Jetta version. PM me.
 

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There are lots of cheap, poor quality copies out there, but there have also been these:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=453492&highlight=fog

They were usually from Eastern Europe (Poland/Latvia/Hungary), and were almost identical to the Hellas with many of the same markings, but not labeled as Hella.

When Lito posted his, they were on ebay for about $120, but I've seen them drop to around $60 over the years, although shipping has gone up.

You can also replace the H1 bulb and copy Lito's HID conversion.
 
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Hmmm, I haven't seen anything like that on eBay and I have scoured multiple pages' worth of listings on eBay sites in different countries. Everything has chrome, or a halo, or an LED bar or all three. I'd buy the official Golf set I found and pair it with the replica inserts if I could find them (I am in an OEM+ phase with my car.) The closest inserts I have found are on ECS but the mounting tabs don't match.
 

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I think this is the same seller with different screen name. The crappy stuff seems to ship from the UK, the decent stuff from Bulgaria. The price is much lower than when Lito posted, so certainly that could mean they are different. As long as the housing is decent, I'd just mount Hellas in there (if they come with something subpar).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-GOLF-4-...666308?hash=item3cb977af04:g:FLgAAOxybqpRf8fI

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-BORA-JE...420598?hash=item3cb9462876:g:zNsAAOSweW5VbHlP
 

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Thanks for looking that up. I had found the 2nd link, but didn't want to take a risk since there are no photos of the backs and the lights look like they're super shallow and wouldn't have similar mounts to the Hella lights.
 

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Try opening the large picture that Lito posted in his thread and compare back and forth- the only difference I can see is the color of the plastic, which may even be the lighting. You could always ask them for more pictures, since they really should show the housing. If the bulbs are glass and say EU or ECE on them, they may be the same as his. I have the original Hella DE kit in my Golf, but I might try these for my wife's old Jetta (still in the family) when daylight savings time rolls around again.
 

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As a side question, is there lots of fraud on Vortex these days? I posted something similar there, and have gotten two private messages, and both seem really sketchy.
 

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As a side question, is there lots of fraud on Vortex these days? I posted something similar there, and have gotten two private messages, and both seem really sketchy.
If the PM’s refer you to another person, be cautious.

If the PM is from a new member, be cautious. Especially, if they don’t have lots of activity in the Classifieds.

All that said, I have an old set of non-Hella that I never used. You can have them if you want them.
 

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As a side question, is there lots of fraud on Vortex these days? I posted something similar there, and have gotten two private messages, and both seem really sketchy.

Although I'm a vortex member (for many years), I rarely spend much time there because so much of the information is poor or incorrect, and the members frequently unhelpful. I've purchased only two or three items from the classifieds, and never without a headache. In fact, I've only ever had two internet cheats take my cash, and one was a former vortex advertising sponsor, or whatever the proper name might be.
 

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A member here offered me the replica kit but I also decided to see what would arrive via the eBay listing linked earlier in this thread.

It looks like the eBay listing isn't the same thing. The light weighs almost nothing and there's a second vertical bar in the grill. They are also very different materials. Unfortunately, I don't know if either insert will work with the Hella Micro DE Golf fog kit I bought on eBay (but have not yet received.)

 

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So the one pictured to the left is a replica kit, and the one to the right from the ebay link? Which one weighs almost nothing? Is the brown light housing marked or the glass lense marked? The Hella DE lights are available on their own, too, but I guess you have a kit on the way.
 

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The two parts at the top (the chrome light and the insert with two vertical bars) are from the current eBay link. The insert is a rock hard material. The light is a very flimsy plastic. The one I removed from the packaging has an LED bulb pre-installed that looks bent sideways (i.e. not on purpose.)

The lower two parts are the older replica kit. The insert is made of a similar plastic to the OEM inserts. There are markings on the glass: O2B, E11 (in a circle in the center) and 0153. The three markings are top to bottom. This all matches the replicas shown in the link at the top of this thread. I was appreciative of the user who sent them to me, but one of them ending up having large, rough, drill holes (you can see in the photo, to the right of the light hole) so my search for the inserts continues. The lights were also different because they used H1 bulbs instead of H3 bulbs like the Hella lights.

In both cases, the inserts lack the clip at the top that holds them in place, so they come with screws and pre-drilled holes on the top of each insert so that they can be screwed in place through the bumper material.

Here is a photo of the light from the eBay link:

 

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That stinks that the ebay ones didn't maintain the near-replica of the ones in Lito's old thread.

From memory, in the original Hella DE Kit for my Golf, the lower grill inserts did not have any clips like the stock inserts, they had only the pre-drilled holes. I remember taking out the screws after a few years to replace with SS ones.
 

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I uploaded the photos from a 2016 clean/adjust/replace screws session. Click on the picture to get to the others...

First time I've been able to upload photos in 2 years.
 

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Thanks for the photos. I work with a local car stereo shop to help me with my wiring projects, and they said they may have the plastics skills to repair the replica insert with the holes. At the moment, that may be my only option. When I bought the Hella Golf kit, I didn't think I'd have as hard of a time finding workable inserts.
 

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Bump. I’ve been periodically checking eBay and just found two B4 Passat kits so maybe I might still get lucky with a Jetta kit.
 

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Heh, yeah I have a few eBays that I periodically check using various search terms, including the original Hella number 1NL008383861. That's how I found the Passat kits.
 
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