towforce
Veteran Member
A few questions about the glow plug system on my 05 BEW.
Short background, 460,000kms, I had the VW Ceramic to Steel recall done (way back....), Recently had a Stage One Malone Tune to deal with "Warm start" issues that the Tune solved (Tune ID ends with "SG"), No Codes recorded, Temp sensor seems to be reading correctly, Anything less than 3-4 C and she gets grumpy to start. New battery, good crank speeds, runs perfect warm.
So... I've gone from a Warm Start issue to a Cold start issue.
My Questions,
-With the VCDS I see a pre-glow setting of 1.6 seconds, is this normal?
-Is it possible the GP's are failing and not heating? (and not throwing a code?) We don't get allot of cold weather and these plugs have been in for at least 12 years.... my old 82 Rabbit used to carve through GP's like crazy but I honestly don't know much about the ones in the BEW.
-What is the best way to Log a cold start? If I'm key off, I don't have a connection to the controller, so how do I catch the initial glow plug event?
Below is what I did log (edited up to crank and start ).....
Thanks
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Sunday 11 November 2018 09:56:26:63327-VCID:27432875951A4B72B7-515A VCDS Version: Release 18.9.0 (x64) Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
038 997 016 L ADVMB R4 1.9L EDC G000SG 3791
G012 F0 G012 F1 G012 F2
Marker TIME Group 12 - Field 0 TIME Group 12 - Field 1 TIME Group 12 - Field 2
STAMP Glow Status STAMP Pre-Glow Period STAMP Supply Voltage - (Terminal 30)
s V
10.12 0 10.12 1.61 10.12 14.67
10.28 0 10.28 1.61 10.28 14.29
10.44 0 10.44 1.61 10.44 14.21
10.59 0 10.59 1.61 10.59 14.14
10.75 0 10.75 1.61 10.75 14.14
10.91 0 10.91 1.61 10.91 14.14
11.08 0 11.08 1.61 11.08 14.14
11.23 0 11.23 1.61 11.23 14.14
11.39 0 11.39 1.61 11.39 14.14
11.54 0 11.54 1.61 11.54 14.14
11.71 0 11.71 1.61 11.71 14.14
11.87 0 11.87 1.61 11.87 14.14
12.03 0 12.03 1.61 12.03 14.14
12.19 0 12.19 1.61 12.19 14.14
12.34 0 12.34 1.61 12.34 14.14
12.5 0 12.5 1.61 12.5 14.14
12.67 0 12.67 1.61 12.67 14.21
12.83 0 12.83 1.61 12.83 14.21
18.3 0 18.3 1.61 18.3 14.21
19.47 1010000 19.47 0 19.47 13.98
19.62 1010000 19.62 0 19.62 13.98
19.78 1010000 19.78 0 19.78 13.98
19.94 1010000 19.94 0 19.94 13.98
20.09 1010000 20.09 0 20.09 13.98
20.25 1010000 20.25 0 20.25 13.98
20.4 1010000 20.4 0 20.4 13.98
20.56 1010000 20.56 0 20.56 13.98
20.72 1010000 20.72 0 20.72 13.98
20.89 1010000 20.89 0 20.89 13.98
21.04 1010000 21.04 0 21.04 13.98
21.21 1010000 21.21 0 21.21 13.98
21.37 1010000 21.37 0 21.37 13.98
21.54 1010000 21.54 0 21.54 13.98
21.71 1010000 21.71 0 21.71 13.91
21.87 1010000 21.87 0 21.87 13.91
22.03 1010000 22.03 0 22.03 13.91
22.19 1010000 22.19 0 22.19 13.91
22.34 1010000 22.34 0 22.34 13.91
22.5 1010000 22.5 0 22.5 13.91
22.65 1010000 22.65 0 22.65 13.91
22.81 1010000 22.81 0 22.81 13.91
22.97 1010000 22.97 0 22.97 13.91
23.12 1010000 23.12 0 23.12 13.91
23.28 1010000 23.28 0 23.28 13.91
23.44 1010000 23.44 0 23.44 13.91
23.59 1010000 23.59 0 23.59 13.91
23.75 1010000 23.75 0 23.75 13.91
23.9 1010000 23.9 0 23.9 13.91
24.06 1010000 24.06 0 24.06 13.91
24.22 1010000 24.22 0 24.22 13.91
24.37 1010000 24.37 0 24.37 13.91
24.53 1010000 24.53 0 24.53 13.91
24.71 1010000 24.71 0 24.71 13.91
24.87 1010000 24.87 0 24.87 13.91
25.03 1010000 25.03 0 25.03 13.91
25.19 1010000 25.19 0 25.19 13.91
25.34 1010000 25.34 0 25.34 13.68
25.52 11000000 25.52 0 25.52 11.32
25.69 11000000 25.69 0 25.69 11.86
25.84 11000000 25.84 0 25.84 12.08
26 11111111 26 0 26 12.31
26.15 11111111 26.15 0 26.15 12.92
26.31 11111111 26.31 0 26.31 13.07
26.47 11111111 26.47 0 26.47 13.07
26.62 11111111 26.62 0 26.62 13.07
26.78 11111111 26.78 0 26.78 13.07
26.94 11111111 26.94 0 26.94 13.07
27.09 11111111 27.09 0 27.09 13.22
27.25 11111111 27.25 0 27.25 13.45
27.4 11111111 27.4 0 27.4 13.91
27.56 11111111 27.56 0 27.56 14.59
Short background, 460,000kms, I had the VW Ceramic to Steel recall done (way back....), Recently had a Stage One Malone Tune to deal with "Warm start" issues that the Tune solved (Tune ID ends with "SG"), No Codes recorded, Temp sensor seems to be reading correctly, Anything less than 3-4 C and she gets grumpy to start. New battery, good crank speeds, runs perfect warm.
So... I've gone from a Warm Start issue to a Cold start issue.
My Questions,
-With the VCDS I see a pre-glow setting of 1.6 seconds, is this normal?
-Is it possible the GP's are failing and not heating? (and not throwing a code?) We don't get allot of cold weather and these plugs have been in for at least 12 years.... my old 82 Rabbit used to carve through GP's like crazy but I honestly don't know much about the ones in the BEW.
-What is the best way to Log a cold start? If I'm key off, I don't have a connection to the controller, so how do I catch the initial glow plug event?
Below is what I did log (edited up to crank and start ).....
Thanks
**********************************************
Sunday 11 November 2018 09:56:26:63327-VCID:27432875951A4B72B7-515A VCDS Version: Release 18.9.0 (x64) Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
038 997 016 L ADVMB R4 1.9L EDC G000SG 3791
G012 F0 G012 F1 G012 F2
Marker TIME Group 12 - Field 0 TIME Group 12 - Field 1 TIME Group 12 - Field 2
STAMP Glow Status STAMP Pre-Glow Period STAMP Supply Voltage - (Terminal 30)
s V
10.12 0 10.12 1.61 10.12 14.67
10.28 0 10.28 1.61 10.28 14.29
10.44 0 10.44 1.61 10.44 14.21
10.59 0 10.59 1.61 10.59 14.14
10.75 0 10.75 1.61 10.75 14.14
10.91 0 10.91 1.61 10.91 14.14
11.08 0 11.08 1.61 11.08 14.14
11.23 0 11.23 1.61 11.23 14.14
11.39 0 11.39 1.61 11.39 14.14
11.54 0 11.54 1.61 11.54 14.14
11.71 0 11.71 1.61 11.71 14.14
11.87 0 11.87 1.61 11.87 14.14
12.03 0 12.03 1.61 12.03 14.14
12.19 0 12.19 1.61 12.19 14.14
12.34 0 12.34 1.61 12.34 14.14
12.5 0 12.5 1.61 12.5 14.14
12.67 0 12.67 1.61 12.67 14.21
12.83 0 12.83 1.61 12.83 14.21
18.3 0 18.3 1.61 18.3 14.21
19.47 1010000 19.47 0 19.47 13.98
19.62 1010000 19.62 0 19.62 13.98
19.78 1010000 19.78 0 19.78 13.98
19.94 1010000 19.94 0 19.94 13.98
20.09 1010000 20.09 0 20.09 13.98
20.25 1010000 20.25 0 20.25 13.98
20.4 1010000 20.4 0 20.4 13.98
20.56 1010000 20.56 0 20.56 13.98
20.72 1010000 20.72 0 20.72 13.98
20.89 1010000 20.89 0 20.89 13.98
21.04 1010000 21.04 0 21.04 13.98
21.21 1010000 21.21 0 21.21 13.98
21.37 1010000 21.37 0 21.37 13.98
21.54 1010000 21.54 0 21.54 13.98
21.71 1010000 21.71 0 21.71 13.91
21.87 1010000 21.87 0 21.87 13.91
22.03 1010000 22.03 0 22.03 13.91
22.19 1010000 22.19 0 22.19 13.91
22.34 1010000 22.34 0 22.34 13.91
22.5 1010000 22.5 0 22.5 13.91
22.65 1010000 22.65 0 22.65 13.91
22.81 1010000 22.81 0 22.81 13.91
22.97 1010000 22.97 0 22.97 13.91
23.12 1010000 23.12 0 23.12 13.91
23.28 1010000 23.28 0 23.28 13.91
23.44 1010000 23.44 0 23.44 13.91
23.59 1010000 23.59 0 23.59 13.91
23.75 1010000 23.75 0 23.75 13.91
23.9 1010000 23.9 0 23.9 13.91
24.06 1010000 24.06 0 24.06 13.91
24.22 1010000 24.22 0 24.22 13.91
24.37 1010000 24.37 0 24.37 13.91
24.53 1010000 24.53 0 24.53 13.91
24.71 1010000 24.71 0 24.71 13.91
24.87 1010000 24.87 0 24.87 13.91
25.03 1010000 25.03 0 25.03 13.91
25.19 1010000 25.19 0 25.19 13.91
25.34 1010000 25.34 0 25.34 13.68
25.52 11000000 25.52 0 25.52 11.32
25.69 11000000 25.69 0 25.69 11.86
25.84 11000000 25.84 0 25.84 12.08
26 11111111 26 0 26 12.31
26.15 11111111 26.15 0 26.15 12.92
26.31 11111111 26.31 0 26.31 13.07
26.47 11111111 26.47 0 26.47 13.07
26.62 11111111 26.62 0 26.62 13.07
26.78 11111111 26.78 0 26.78 13.07
26.94 11111111 26.94 0 26.94 13.07
27.09 11111111 27.09 0 27.09 13.22
27.25 11111111 27.25 0 27.25 13.45
27.4 11111111 27.4 0 27.4 13.91
27.56 11111111 27.56 0 27.56 14.59