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Old December 21st, 2018, 16:58   #31
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very interesting, looks like the Mobil 1 oils are much lower burnoff..
Not anymore. The old CJ-4 Delvac ESP was primarily PAO and made from thicker base oils. It was the high percentage of PAO that gave it the impressive thermal properties like pour and flash point. I’m sure the NOACK value was 8% or less for that stuff. It was a leader in its class of HDEOs. The only oil remotely close to it now is Amsoil, Ravenol or Redline 5w40 which is $10-13 a quart.

However the new Delvac ESP is all group III and III+ with thinner base oils. I believe Mobil used the CK-4 rollout as an excuse to cheapen the formula and they are still “surfing” on its old reputation.

There is very little difference between the current CK-4/SN T6 and Delvac ESP.
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Old December 21st, 2018, 17:13   #32
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I believe the Mobil1 5w-30 ESP still has a healthy dose of PAO base oil. It's not as cheap or widely available as T6, but I think it would also be a good oil for GM's 3.0 diesel.
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Old December 21st, 2018, 18:19   #33
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I believe the Mobil1 5w-30 ESP still has a healthy dose of PAO base oil. It's not as cheap or widely available as T6, but I think it would also be a good oil for GM's 3.0 diesel.
You’re referring to Mobil 1 ESP formula 5w30 and yes that oil does have impressive properties, another class leading product when it was introduced. However, it was also reformulated earlier this year. Now it is called Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 and just like Delvac 1 it is a shadow of its former self. The new ESP 5w30 is all Group III and III+ with less than 5% PAO according the new SDS.

Whatever ESP formula you still see for sale is new old stock. Anybody who likes this stuff should be stocking up before it’s gone for good.
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Old December 23rd, 2018, 01:32   #34
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That's disappointing, but the new M1 5w30 esp still meets the pretty stringent 507 spec requirements, so that's something. I just think Noack volatility is highly overrated as an indicator of oil quality. 12.8% loss (@480°F)may be high for the euro passenger car oils, but it's fairly average among the HDEO's. You can find cheap monograde mineral oils with lower NOACK losses than top tier synthetics like Amsoil etc. Does that make them superior? No way. Here's one:

https://mag1.com/products/passenger-...-30-motor-oil/
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Old December 23rd, 2018, 02:10   #35
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I just compared the specs of the new M1 5w30 esp vs. the old formula and it's not all bad news. While sulphated ash is a bit higher @ .8% vs. .6%, and flash point is a bit lower @ 239°C vs. 254°, the pour point is better @ -48°C vs. -45°, and most importantly the viscosity index is significantly better at 187 vs. 164. I really don't see any compelling reason to stock up on the old stuff.
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Old January 29th, 2019, 10:37   #36
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So I bit and bought a 2018 RAM Ecodiesel, as GM (Chevrolet) say their 2019 3L Diesel models are being delayed because of the EPA being closed by the government shutdown.
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Old January 31st, 2019, 09:42   #37
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maybe we need a separate thread now!
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Old January 31st, 2019, 15:51   #38
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maybe we need a separate thread now!
I know there is a lot of good lube information in this thread, but it is not on topic with my questions.

Jeep just threw their hat in to the light truck marketplace by saying their new Gladiator will have the 3.0L Diesel option....
https://www.greencarcongress.com/201...gladiator.html
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Yup, the jeep gladiator keeps popping up. I think this is the third or fourth rendition of a jeep truck over the last 20 years. The CJ is also supposed to get the 3.0l diesel. I will believe both when I see them on the lot.
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Yup, the jeep gladiator keeps popping up. I think this is the third or fourth rendition of a jeep truck over the last 20 years. The CJ is also supposed to get the 3.0l diesel. I will believe both when I see them on the lot.
yes, I also saw RAM was considering combing the 3.0L Diesel with their new eTorque hybrid system, That is an interesting configuration!
Basically a generator system that acts as a starter/electric assist motor.
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We've noticed that you can buy an F250 with the 6.7L Powerstroke for the same or less money than an F150 with the 3.0. Seems Ford needs to build some F150 diesels with less stuff than they are currently.
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We've noticed that you can buy an F250 with the 6.7L Powerstroke for the same or less money than an F150 with the 3.0. Seems Ford needs to build some F150 diesels with less stuff than they are currently.

Yep. If you want the diesel F150, you START at the Platinum trim level, which forces a Super Cab, so basically $46k, then they go up from there. Most F150 diesels MSRP over $60k. That is insane.

The Gladiator with the diesel box ticked won't be much different. I seriously do not understand how these companies expect people to pay for these things, but they do. Somehow. I suppose debt for life becomes a way of life.
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Yep. If you want the diesel F150, you START at the Platinum trim level, which forces a Super Cab, so basically $46k, then they go up from there. Most F150 diesels MSRP over $60k. That is insane.
The Gladiator with the diesel box ticked won't be much different. I seriously do not understand how these companies expect people to pay for these things, but they do. Somehow. I suppose debt for life becomes a way of life.
I know the off year RAM Ecodiesel are all sitting at 55k, MSRP (give or take $5000) about the same for the 2017's but their discounted price was 40k.
while I was able to work out a decent deal and good value on my trade, the upgrade was worth it in the end.
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Yes, but FCA didn't force you into a higher trim level or cab configuration. If you wanted a base white Tradesman with the diesel, you could have ordered one.

No idea what they are doing for 2019 though, as the diesel is not listed anymore.
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Speculation is that Ram will not offer a 2019 1500 diesel. Should help move remaining 18s before releasing the diesel in the recent redesign as a 20. Might also put a stop to the deep discounts on year old models.
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