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VW MKVII-Mk7 Golf family including Golf Wagon (~ 2015 +) Discussions area for the Mk7 (2015+) Golf and Golf Wagon TDIs based on the MQB (Modularer Querbaukasten) platform.

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Old October 4th, 2015, 04:12   #46
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After talking to the tech at he dealer, and from my own knowledge I have 3 theories about our 2015's:

1) Vw knew that the excrement was bound to hit the ventilator, so when the did the EA288 re-design, they made the cars perfectly emissions compliant, and the EPA is simply using the stop sale as leverage to motivate a fix for the previous generation.

2) The EA288 engine simply needs more aggressive urea injection via a ECU tuning update to meet emissions, so without sacrificing anything but more frequent ad blue fill ups, the engine will meet emissions. In my opinion, this is the worse case scenario for us 15-16 owners.
This is how it works for the heavy duty diesel trucks like the newer generation 6.7L Cummins engines that are in the Ram line up. When EGT's are high from to towing, Urea consumption is very high in order to lower nox output. For highway cruising, the EGT's are lower and so are NOx levels, so the system uses much less urea.
Id assume that even with a largely increased urea consumption, our little 2.0L TDI engines still wouldn't use enough to really be an inconvenience.
So what's the 3rd theory?

I think #1 makes the most sense. Clearly VW and the EPA were communicating for over a year and not getting anywhere. The jig was up and EPA used the nuclear option. I wonder if VW had planned that things could get as bad as they have.

Timing is everything. Those of us who bought 2015's in the late summer are incredibly unlucky. There are a lot of unsold 2015's and now 2016's that VW is holding. If these are going to sell they will have to offer with a lot of deal sweeteners.

Assuming the EA288 can pass with the performance and economy it currently shows I'd still buy, it's a great car. If I'd only have waited a few days. I think it's possible we will get an extended emission and possibly drive train warranty but that's probably about all.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 07:34   #47
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Timing is everything. Those of us who bought 2015's in the late summer are incredibly unlucky. There are a lot of unsold 2015's and now 2016's that VW is holding. If these are going to sell they will have to offer with a lot of deal sweeteners.

We're incredibly unlucky in the near term, but residuals a few years out could be strong if 1) VW curtails the production of TDIs and shifts more to the 1.4t and blue motion mix, and 2) the ea189 engine is negatively impacted, so their residuals take a hit.

I only paid 21.9k for my TDI S 6MT, but that might go for 20 to 21k new for a 2016 after all is said and done.

It's so hard to tell at this point.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 10:00   #48
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I found this UK VW web site and entered my VIN. It said my '15 Golf TDI is not affected? Mine was an early '15 model build. I wonder if all it is checking are TDIs sold in the UK and why doesn't the U.S. VW web site have the same thing? I would be interested to hear the result if someone who purchased theirs late summer enters their VIN.

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/dieselinfo

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Old October 5th, 2015, 10:35   #49
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Someone else posted similar on a MKVI. Your car has a North American VIN, isn't in the UK database. So that site can't find it. Your car is affected.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 13:13   #50
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Thanks Indigo. I was actually hopeful - for about an hour
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Someone else posted similar on a MKVI. Your car has a North American VIN, isn't in the UK database. So that site can't find it. Your car is affected.
We actually won't know until Wednesday if the 15/16's are affected.
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We actually won't know until Wednesday if the 15/16's are affected.
What happening on Wednesday?

Thanks OP for starting this thread BTW. I'm a hopeful manual, TDI GSW purchaser in about a year and I've been trying to follow the scandal closely as it pertains to the EA 288 but the main thread is full of so much noise and FUD that it's hard to follow.

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'15s are listed on the EPA letter. '16s are not because they were not issued authorization for sale. They can't be recalled because they're still at the port, none have been delivered to customers.

What I've heard is '15s will require a reflash, '16s do not.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 16:55   #54
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'15s are listed on the EPA letter. '16s are not because they were not issued authorization for sale. They can't be recalled because they're still at the port, none have been delivered to customers.

What I've heard is '15s will require a reflash, '16s do not.
I assume the '16s have the same hp, torque and mileage specs as the '15's. So is it likely the '15's need the reflash to remove the defeat code from the ECU?
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We don't really know. VW says the '16s meet standards with no changes. They haven't said that about the '15s, but the '15s already were on the market so they'll probably be addressed as part of the recall. Don't know if '15s have a defeat mode, or different tuning for daily driving.
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What happening on Wednesday?
Thanks OP for starting this thread BTW. I'm a hopeful manual, TDI GSW purchaser in about a year and I've been trying to follow the scandal closely as it pertains to the EA 288 but the main thread is full of so much noise and FUD that it's hard to follow.
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VW is going to officially announce what the fixes are for each model/MY on Wednesday - the deadline given by Germany.

Almost everything you read is speculative until then...although I'm hopeful the 15/16's are unaffected.
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The 15 and 16 are the same, I am sure when the 16's are available for sale they will have the reflash, I am planing on borrowing a 16's from the local dealer for an extended entire day test drive when they come out, and also see what other people are getting after reflashing the 15's before I let the dealership touch mine.

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Old October 5th, 2015, 19:23   #58
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VW is going to officially announce what the fixes are for each model/MY on Wednesday - the deadline given by Germany.
Almost everything you read is speculative until then...although I'm hopeful the 15/16's are unaffected.
Remember...those fixes will be for EURO CARS....different emissions standards than the US/CANADA....So I caution you we might be able to infer the US fix, but with more stringent requirements, it may not mirrior the German fix...
I also hope the new motor will be unaffected, except for a programming change to ensure no "banned" or illegal software.....
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The 15 and 16 are the same, I am sure when the 16's are available for sale they will have the re flash, I am planing on borrowing a 16's from the local dealer for an extended entire day test drive when they come out, and also see what other people are getting after re flashing the 15's before I let the dealership touch mine.
Yeah, those of us with 15's may be in a bind with respect to warranty work if we don't let them reflash. I got lucky with my '02. It never visited a dealer after purchase until VW replaced the front fenders under the corrosion warranty last summer. Come to think of it, the way they treated my 12 yr old car with 350K miles is the reason I bought again. Customer loyalty.
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Yeah, those of us with 15's may be in a bind with respect to warranty work if we don't let them reflash. I got lucky with my '02. It never visited a dealer after purchase until VW replaced the front fenders under the corrosion warranty last summer. Come to think of it, the way they treated my 12 yr old car with 350K miles is the reason I bought again. Customer loyalty.
Exactly, I am keeping an open mind to all this mess, in the mean time I am thoroughly enjoying my TDI, not to mention this (see pic) with still under a 1K miles on the clock
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