Bobby Singh
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I could sit here and answer your points, but for me there is nothing more technical to be had from this.
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Good luck
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Good luck
270bhp on stock injectors? (PD130 ASZ)
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Sheppy
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Good
Back to technical talk, heres a few more, and below some technical information as to how this might be possible, one of the best posts I ever read in terms of understanding.
Another:
Seat Leon PD150 Narco Tuning Custom remap
XMan Turbos GTB2260
Custom FMIC
2.5" downpipe and exhaust
Alloy intake with MAF delete
Stock injectors
272bhp / 370lbft @ 23'c 1015mbar bar on our own Dyno
263bhp / 390lbft @ 28.5'c 1020mbar on a MAHA for comparison
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Makes some sense, but ideal point of peak pressure is between 12-15 deg after tdc. If u run later than that u are running sub optimal and efficiency goes down. In serial engines this is done mainly for 2 reasons: knock in otto engine, and peak cylinder pressure or nvh in diesel cylce.
Also near beginning and end of pd lobe the gradient gets less, reducing inj pressure.
Lets put it this way, if 50 deg of duration would be so nice, vw really woulndt have made bigger nozzles in a pd130/150 as when compared to pd100. Lets be honest, if at all why would they cope with high raw soot levels because of this?
Also near beginning and end of pd lobe the gradient gets less, reducing inj pressure.
Lets put it this way, if 50 deg of duration would be so nice, vw really woulndt have made bigger nozzles in a pd130/150 as when compared to pd100. Lets be honest, if at all why would they cope with high raw soot levels because of this?
skillaturbos
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Thanks mate. At least some people saw my point. I'm not better than anyone and I'm just showing my achievements and of course defending myself when they seems to say that I'm lying on what I have in the car.
Keep up your good understanding and sharing your knowledge mate. Great job
xjay1337
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The very smokey video of Skilla Turbo's car was removed.
Wonder why
I can see both sides. But the fact is Bobby (for example) has asked for some pretty clear data and that has just been laughed side makes me think that the tune is very unsafe and just for bragging rights. Why not say you are running 52 degrees of duration.
Those pieces of key data, egt, lambda, duration etc , is key to knowing how a car has been ran and how a car will likely run. Sustained EGT temps are important to know. Because this dictates the longevity of the setup.
I know what duration values that one tuner mentioned here was running on a stock PD150 with a GTB2260 (I think it was a test vehicle) and it was laughably high. Even he said he would never run those values on the road or a customers cars.
I'm sure you could make a stock PD130 do 250bhp if you to run 3 bar of boost and run crazy duration. But it would do it once and then you'd be picking bits of turbo out of the tarmac.
Doing much over 40 degrees is asking for trouble especially when most people abuse their car, don't monitor key information like EGT's or oil temps.
There are lots of posts from knowledgeable people on here that running much over 40 degrees duration (combined with SOI and changes) can massively increase risk of engine damage. Many of these people advising are some of the leading enthusiasts, tuners and experts in their field, many of which being the first to develop new technology and the first to break through many boundaries.
I'm all for seeing people develop, try things that perhaps were considered risky or no-go, especially now you can buy a PD130 for 50p and a packet of fags, but PD tuning is not rocket science, it has been around for 15 years and more, if there were black magic science to it that was safe for road use, it would have been discovered by now.
So while it may be "possible" to run 270+ on stock injectors it should be made clear that this is not a daily drive setup and absolutely should not be used on track or on top speed runs and certainly not on customer cars. I don't see the point other than trying to show off. You could do a lot of things, doesn't mean you want to and certainly doesn't make it big or clever.
I for one would much rather have a safe and repeatable 235-240bhp that I can abuse every day than a risky 280bhp and have massive cylinder pressures and risk cracked pistons or other terminal engine damage. Much better to get +50 or 80% injectors if you want 250-300bhp and a clean driving experience.
Wonder why
I can see both sides. But the fact is Bobby (for example) has asked for some pretty clear data and that has just been laughed side makes me think that the tune is very unsafe and just for bragging rights. Why not say you are running 52 degrees of duration.
Those pieces of key data, egt, lambda, duration etc , is key to knowing how a car has been ran and how a car will likely run. Sustained EGT temps are important to know. Because this dictates the longevity of the setup.
I know what duration values that one tuner mentioned here was running on a stock PD150 with a GTB2260 (I think it was a test vehicle) and it was laughably high. Even he said he would never run those values on the road or a customers cars.
I'm sure you could make a stock PD130 do 250bhp if you to run 3 bar of boost and run crazy duration. But it would do it once and then you'd be picking bits of turbo out of the tarmac.
Doing much over 40 degrees is asking for trouble especially when most people abuse their car, don't monitor key information like EGT's or oil temps.
There are lots of posts from knowledgeable people on here that running much over 40 degrees duration (combined with SOI and changes) can massively increase risk of engine damage. Many of these people advising are some of the leading enthusiasts, tuners and experts in their field, many of which being the first to develop new technology and the first to break through many boundaries.
I'm all for seeing people develop, try things that perhaps were considered risky or no-go, especially now you can buy a PD130 for 50p and a packet of fags, but PD tuning is not rocket science, it has been around for 15 years and more, if there were black magic science to it that was safe for road use, it would have been discovered by now.
So while it may be "possible" to run 270+ on stock injectors it should be made clear that this is not a daily drive setup and absolutely should not be used on track or on top speed runs and certainly not on customer cars. I don't see the point other than trying to show off. You could do a lot of things, doesn't mean you want to and certainly doesn't make it big or clever.
I for one would much rather have a safe and repeatable 235-240bhp that I can abuse every day than a risky 280bhp and have massive cylinder pressures and risk cracked pistons or other terminal engine damage. Much better to get +50 or 80% injectors if you want 250-300bhp and a clean driving experience.
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We just dynoed ATJ 279hp/510Nm with 37 degree duration DSSR +130%/8mm, CNC head and 10mm cam, big filter and exhaust, 2260vk 2.2bar and AFR 15. EGT around 850-900C without water.
Looks like stock 96kW PD nozzles would gave same power, i don´t know. Would be nice to try.
xjay1337
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Even if they did give the same power (which I don't think they do but whatever) you will be running 45-55 degree duration.
Much much much much safer with your 120% nozzles although 80% should be fine for those numbers in theory, but can depend on injector and other factors.
Much much much much safer with your 120% nozzles although 80% should be fine for those numbers in theory, but can depend on injector and other factors.
Look at ppd170 2.0 16v engines. Every tune is over 40deg duration. Stock duration maps request close to 40 degrees for 70mg@4500 rpm. I ran year and a half with 54deg duration@4500rpm. Head cracked but hey, they crack even on stock engines. Now i use AMC head for 40kkm so will see how much will last.
I always wondered how this engine can take so much duration.
I always wondered how this engine can take so much duration.
lol u say yourself, crack already on stock car. the reason that they forced to make small nozzles is to get any reasonable atomisation at late SOI (pd lobe running out of lift) for post injection for DPF. also maybe bit for engine out PM emissions. also the long duration they get increases EGT and helps to bring cat faster to temp and maybe increase CRT effect in the DPF a bit due to higher EGTs for similar engine load.
I m sure some hesitate to post for different reasons, it is possible but of course will require a turbo that can handle egt and some reasonnable driving, rings will not last as fine due to pcp and temperature, otherwise, i am happy to feel some still have to find out how.
In the signature this golf 2 swaped pd weight as much as an ibiza 6l european, and was already ahead of 135i with this tune, now up a few 6-9 hp, it is faster than an rs3 smokefree at low temps. But, there is some mechanical effort to do so
Ps: from speedometer (gps tested), this golf 2 goes a little faster than the skillaturbos cupra (same speedometer and possibly close wheel diameter). For the little story he deleted me on facebook the day i shared this video
Ps2: the customer insisted that i try to push stock injectors to see the possible output. The engine will be rebuilt, prepared. Injectors are next to come.
In the signature this golf 2 swaped pd weight as much as an ibiza 6l european, and was already ahead of 135i with this tune, now up a few 6-9 hp, it is faster than an rs3 smokefree at low temps. But, there is some mechanical effort to do so
Ps: from speedometer (gps tested), this golf 2 goes a little faster than the skillaturbos cupra (same speedometer and possibly close wheel diameter). For the little story he deleted me on facebook the day i shared this video
Ps2: the customer insisted that i try to push stock injectors to see the possible output. The engine will be rebuilt, prepared. Injectors are next to come.
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Sheppy
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Can I just quickly point something out about the topic of this thread.
The original poster asks:
Responses quickly follow:
It has been proved countless times, in response to the OPs question, that more than 230bhp is possible with these injectors.
Except when it's proved, everyone changes the topic from is it possible to.. is it safe... now... its "ohhh... yehhh... sorry. 270bhp is actually possible, but you will crack your pistons, you'll pick bits of your turbo out of the tarmac". It's like no-one wants to believe that the answer to the question, is yes.
Asking about sustained EGT when the car never runs these durations sustained (i.e. doing a drag), is completely pointless with regard to the OPs question.
The bottom line is, yes, 270-300bhp is possible with stock injectors, but depending on the use case could be very dangerous and cause serious engine damage.
Thread closed in my opinion.
It's the crap in between that bugs me, stuff like "haha that dyno must produce world records", or "you cant come here, answer the OPs question and not give away your secrets as to how you achieved it"
Now Drivibiwire, Bobby, (prejudice)borachris, Pieman.... eat humble pie and take back your mostly rude comments.
The original poster asks:
He want's to know if this is possible, not safe.Friggerpants said:
Responses quickly follow:
Drivbiwire said:
Drivibiwire said:
Bobby Singh said:
borachris said:
Pieman said:
And so on...JTT said:
It has been proved countless times, in response to the OPs question, that more than 230bhp is possible with these injectors.
Except when it's proved, everyone changes the topic from is it possible to.. is it safe... now... its "ohhh... yehhh... sorry. 270bhp is actually possible, but you will crack your pistons, you'll pick bits of your turbo out of the tarmac". It's like no-one wants to believe that the answer to the question, is yes.
Asking about sustained EGT when the car never runs these durations sustained (i.e. doing a drag), is completely pointless with regard to the OPs question.
The bottom line is, yes, 270-300bhp is possible with stock injectors, but depending on the use case could be very dangerous and cause serious engine damage.
Thread closed in my opinion.
It's the crap in between that bugs me, stuff like "haha that dyno must produce world records", or "you cant come here, answer the OPs question and not give away your secrets as to how you achieved it"
Now Drivibiwire, Bobby, (prejudice)borachris, Pieman.... eat humble pie and take back your mostly rude comments.
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xjay1337
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Not depending on use, it is very dangerous and it will cause serious engine damage.
The OP (and anyone) deserves to know things like what the EGTs are (you can't work out duration or any other 'secrets' from just knowing EGT).
It should also be said upfront about the danger rather than it having to be dragged out.
It is factually correct, that you cannot safely flow more than 240 or so at a push from PD130 injectors.
The fact they CAN be pushed to provide more flow is irrelevant. Do you think that's the reason why tuners, who are taking peoples money and have a reputation and what not to uphold, say they can't do more than 240?
If you aren't used to having BS called out or topics changing slightly then maybe forums aren't the best place for you
The OP (and anyone) deserves to know things like what the EGTs are (you can't work out duration or any other 'secrets' from just knowing EGT).
It should also be said upfront about the danger rather than it having to be dragged out.
It is factually correct, that you cannot safely flow more than 240 or so at a push from PD130 injectors.
The fact they CAN be pushed to provide more flow is irrelevant. Do you think that's the reason why tuners, who are taking peoples money and have a reputation and what not to uphold, say they can't do more than 240?
If you aren't used to having BS called out or topics changing slightly then maybe forums aren't the best place for you
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Sheppy
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Yes, it is depending on use:
- If you never use 100% throttle, the ECU will never use the durations required to cause engine damage.
- If you run one 4th gear dyno run at those durations, it is unlikely that enough heat and pressure will be generated to cause immediate engine failure. Likewise with a single drag strip run
- If you sit on the highway at 100% throttle at 4500rpm for 5 hours at those durations, running 1200C EGT, you will inevitably cause engine failure.
Hence... depending on use....................
Yes, then the responses should be:
"it might be possible, but running that power on stock injectors will likely cause engine failure".
The poor responses are:
"its BS.
"More BS from the brits"
"Its impossible".
That is not factually correct, and you can safely push more than 240 from PD130 injectors, depending on use case. All the dyno graphs I have posted, and the videos of Skillaturbos car have factually proved that you can complete a dyno run and you can complete a drag at 270+ bhp on stock injectors. Your ignorance is high.
It is 100% relevant, when the original poster asked if this is even possible, and the tuners responses are it is completely, 100% impossible, those dyno graphs are BS.
The OP was asking can they be pushed to provide more flow, not"is it safe".
I don't know why they are saying this, when the evidence is produced the tuners say "the dyno is not calibrated". "He is using NOS". Continuing the boring theme of "safe *or not*, it is physically impossible"
It's not bull****, it has been proved over and over and over again the following fact:If you aren't used to having BS called out or topics changing slightly then maybe forums aren't the best place for you
You can complete a dyno run on stock injectors at 270-290bhp
Which is, 100%, what the OP was asking (as he linked to a dyno print-out of 270bhp on stock injectors).
Can't believe I've had to write practically the same post twice in attempt to get this through to you.
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xjay1337
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You don't need to sit at 100% throttle for 5 hours though.
Did you miss the part where Bobby said he ran 40 degrees and on a daily driven car under normal daily driving conditions (occasional boost) he cracked pistons? He was not racing or competing. He drove it normally along the highway to work and did the occasional drag strip run
It can happen straight away.
Maybe so. But people don't always write things in a way that doesn't hurt your feelings.
It's not ignorance though is it? I said that while you could push that power through stock injectors it would be dangerous to do so.
While tuners and vendors (who have to live with law suits, slander, etc) say that PD130 injectors won't go past 240 because that is the MAXIMUM SAFE LIMIT)
But the safety is the key part! I could go out and shag the queen, but it would not be safe. So you say, no, you can't shag the queen
Well, good for you. I hope you feel proud that you / your friends have made this major breakthrough. The world will be in shock.
Maybe do things properly using proper hardware, instead of cutting costs.
The ONLY reason not to upgrade to +50/80 injectors is COST.
You bore me.
Sheppy
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100% throttle for 5 hours is an example to go to the extreme, interpolate between that use case and never putting your foot down.
So you admit, depending on use case.
Further, I never saw any evidence of the cracked pistons, or the use case. It is your speculation and Bobbys words that he drove the occasional drag strip run.
I have seen however evidence of 275bhp on a dyno on stock injectors, along with the EGT which was 818C at 4500rpm when the dyno run stopped (not high enough to melt pistons or turbos). I have also seen evidence that the car did not spontaneously blow up on the dyno, and Skillaturbos is still driving his 294bhp car daily, 2 years later.
Definately so, as it has been proved that none of this is bull****. Feelings dont come into this, its facts and figures. Neither mine, or any of my friends cars run above 225bhp on stock injectors.
You are still ignoring the fact that completing dyno runs and drag strip runs at 270+ is possible on stock injectors
OP asked is this possible, not is this safe.
Responders said its "bull****" not that its dangerous
Already mentioned, neither myself or any of my friends have made this "major breakthrough". I am however, and so should other people, be in shock that this has been acheived, and no engines blew up!
Haha, I'm not here to entertain you buddy, just here learn and share facts and figures that I found around the internet.
Sorry I "hurt your feelings"
You, entertain me
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p0wer
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Sounds quite much same, as I wrote I have 1Z engine with stock interiors and cheap mods doing 370hp/600nm+
Well, most people are annoyed and won´t believe achievements when only results are visible but specs to the results are not shown. I won´t fully either before having more detailed specs. But i´m not annoyed, i am here to read and learn from results others have had. This kind of results are quite much like ever unprecedented magic trick shown on the forum. 50% does not believe its true, and another 50% are asking for specs ( which they will not get and does not again, believe ). That´s why you may see some disbelievers. But if you give the specs, you may have praise that you have done something what others haven´t yet and have congratulations on the results.
PD pistons, is true, that they are more easy to crack because of oil channel maybe. That´s why i´d prefer to use old style AHU/ALH pistons. Though, haven´t personally ever got broke either of them.
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Sheppy
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It's funny though, because specs don't provide evidence, they explain. Everyone wants an explaination so they ask for specs.
Dyno runs, videos, drag strip runs - these are evidence, when shown people start shouting "your running NOS", "the dyno makes world records", instead of taking it at face value.
It's sad
Dyno runs, videos, drag strip runs - these are evidence, when shown people start shouting "your running NOS", "the dyno makes world records", instead of taking it at face value.
It's sad
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Believing is result of specs, evidence, pictures, video and other stuff. These days it´s hard to believe things which have no evidence. Also there are so much of things what can be measured differently and have simultanous results. EGT, power, pressures, acceleration etc. That´s the main problem when comparing 2 different results measured on different places, different way and with different gauges/sensors.
I think i would try to find these limits too from stock injectors if i would especially focused on PD´s. I like stock injectors because they work GOOD, every bigger ones what we´ve had ( Bosio, 2xFirad, DSS ) have always had small problems on normal use. Maybe bad luck too.
I think i would try to find these limits too from stock injectors if i would especially focused on PD´s. I like stock injectors because they work GOOD, every bigger ones what we´ve had ( Bosio, 2xFirad, DSS ) have always had small problems on normal use. Maybe bad luck too.
These are very good results and I like that people are still pushing the limits. The matter of safe or not is IMO irrelevant in this case. If one chooses to take the risk then go for it. I personally wouldn't run 550 injectors past 240hp on a customer car, but if you or your customers accept the risk then that's fine.
Few notes I have on this subject.
No info on possible additional mods done on the fueling system. There might be some real improvements to be had by modding the tandem pump or raising lift pump pressure. The fact that I have found is that making the nozzles larger does not nearly correlate to the power gain. For instance going from 80% Firads to 160% Firads will gain only a handfull of HP with the same duration. So that makes me belive there should be some other limiting factors in the system which make the power difference to be so small.
From my own testing with Bosio Race nozzles for PD years ago, I found out that there was very little gain to be had going above 40 degrees. IIRC the gain from going 40 to 42 deg with ~32deg SOI was only four or five HP. EGTs took a mild 100c jump from that and were closer to 1100C than 1000c... Oh and we did not get 300hp with those nozzles and duration... Other mods were 2260VK, Dbilas cam and other basic cooler and piping mods. IIRC boost was bit over 2.5bar.
Few notes I have on this subject.
No info on possible additional mods done on the fueling system. There might be some real improvements to be had by modding the tandem pump or raising lift pump pressure. The fact that I have found is that making the nozzles larger does not nearly correlate to the power gain. For instance going from 80% Firads to 160% Firads will gain only a handfull of HP with the same duration. So that makes me belive there should be some other limiting factors in the system which make the power difference to be so small.
From my own testing with Bosio Race nozzles for PD years ago, I found out that there was very little gain to be had going above 40 degrees. IIRC the gain from going 40 to 42 deg with ~32deg SOI was only four or five HP. EGTs took a mild 100c jump from that and were closer to 1100C than 1000c... Oh and we did not get 300hp with those nozzles and duration... Other mods were 2260VK, Dbilas cam and other basic cooler and piping mods. IIRC boost was bit over 2.5bar.
skillaturbos
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Omg I wish English was my first language.
SHEPPY many many thanks for the support and I don't even know you. That is what I call fair play and great support on other people's projects.
I must say I bought the car with 4 years old and it had 50k miles. Like new. Done this setup 3 months later. This CURRENT setup and CURRENT turbo and CURRENT injectors still the original from the car. NEVER HAD ANY ISSUE WITH CAR. Car is driven with this setup and remap daily and I do give it really good show offs and always pushing it to the limits. Santapod I have been many many times this year and previous years and always running 100%.
So please don't say things you don't even know.
Really looks bad on your bad fair play. Car have now 105k and still getting better and better. I really can't believe such negative response I have seen here. That's why I NEVER go out on forums make other people's cars looking bad project's even though I'm in same tuning side.
How is this so hard to agree and believe that a PD160 with a small GTB2060VKLR and remap can go out there and compete with cars with 2260vk firad 80 120 CAM etc and some with NOS...
perhaps there are some knowledge behind and not lucky and lies.
Sorry but really disgusting some people attitude here. That's why you don't learn more perhaps.
final saying:
It's daily driving car with almost 300bhp setup
It has done so far 50k miles with same turbo and never broke and same engine and same PISTONS
Only 2060VKLR turbo
STOCK INJECTION
STOCK INTERCOOLER
STOCK AIR PIPES JUST REINFORCED JOINS
STOCK FREE EXHAUST PIPE
STOCK CAM
STOCK HEAD
STOCK PD160
STOCK GEARBOX
And REMAP
AND DONE by SKILLATURBOS
Don't need you to believe anyway.
Wish good business to everyone and also give an advice:
"Don't criticise... make better"
Ps: the SMOKE VIDEO IS HERE:
https://youtu.be/jBo3E0ZV4lA
And another one:
https://youtu.be/QLqMaoqVhsg
SHEPPY many many thanks for the support and I don't even know you. That is what I call fair play and great support on other people's projects.
I must say I bought the car with 4 years old and it had 50k miles. Like new. Done this setup 3 months later. This CURRENT setup and CURRENT turbo and CURRENT injectors still the original from the car. NEVER HAD ANY ISSUE WITH CAR. Car is driven with this setup and remap daily and I do give it really good show offs and always pushing it to the limits. Santapod I have been many many times this year and previous years and always running 100%.
So please don't say things you don't even know.
Really looks bad on your bad fair play. Car have now 105k and still getting better and better. I really can't believe such negative response I have seen here. That's why I NEVER go out on forums make other people's cars looking bad project's even though I'm in same tuning side.
How is this so hard to agree and believe that a PD160 with a small GTB2060VKLR and remap can go out there and compete with cars with 2260vk firad 80 120 CAM etc and some with NOS...
perhaps there are some knowledge behind and not lucky and lies.
Sorry but really disgusting some people attitude here. That's why you don't learn more perhaps.
final saying:
It's daily driving car with almost 300bhp setup
It has done so far 50k miles with same turbo and never broke and same engine and same PISTONS
Only 2060VKLR turbo
STOCK INJECTION
STOCK INTERCOOLER
STOCK AIR PIPES JUST REINFORCED JOINS
STOCK FREE EXHAUST PIPE
STOCK CAM
STOCK HEAD
STOCK PD160
STOCK GEARBOX
And REMAP
AND DONE by SKILLATURBOS
Don't need you to believe anyway.
Wish good business to everyone and also give an advice:
"Don't criticise... make better"
Ps: the SMOKE VIDEO IS HERE:
https://youtu.be/jBo3E0ZV4lA
And another one:
https://youtu.be/QLqMaoqVhsg
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xjay1337
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I think you didnt fit bigger injectors because you cant afford to. Cost is only reason, and maybe ease of mapping
Pull the head and check your pistons they may be cracked already but you may have no issues!
Just because Sheppy is happy to accept whatever you say without proof or logging doesn't mean the rest of us are.
Doesnt take much to log duration and boost.
Unfortunately you cant log egt on vcds on your car but i would imagine they are very high. This isnt** hating, this is just a fact.
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The smoke on the video at Narco is, in my opinion, totally unacceptable on a road car.
I think you didnt fit bigger injectors because you cant afford to. Cost is only reason, and maybe ease of mapping
Pull the head and check your pistons they may be cracked already but you may have no issues!
Just because Sheppy is happy to accept whatever you say without proof or logging doesn't mean the rest of us are.
Doesnt take much to log duration and boost.
Unfortunately you cant log egt on vcds on your car but i would imagine they are very high. This isnt** hating, this is just a fact.
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The smoke on the video at Narco is, in my opinion, totally unacceptable on a road car.
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Offer of a free dyno run here to compare, we can stick the Lambda and EGT probes in if required
martin33100
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This is my T5 on the dyno running 40degs duration:-
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nPX09YJoTKY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nPX09YJoTKY
xjay1337
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Nice one Ryan. Would be interesting to see.
xjay1337
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compare that to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBo3E0ZV4lA&feature=youtu.be
laughable.
What's with the misfire at 23-26 seconds .
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martin33100
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James Bond would be proud of that smoke screen!
martin33100
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I can make that power but my PD has an extra injectors as its a 5cyl