South Coast Guy
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Haven't been here in 2 years since VW bought my car and I switched to BMW. I looked at a couple of threads and it appears that VW is selling some of the cars they bought back? Can anyone verify?
If they were really concerned about the environment they really should of just left everything alone and exempted them. Except for the occasional NOX (sp?) excursion they were very clean cars. They were just a drop in the bucket in the big scheme of things.
That's why I have been so bitter about the whole situation. They penalize VW but let so many more go unnoticed. I bet if it were GM things would have went so much differentlyI remember shortly after it hit, I was talking to an Audi salesman. He said why can someone legally get their Cummins chipped to where it can block out the sun while rollin’ coal, but these extremely efficient cars must be pulled from the road.
This has f***-all to do with the environment. It is about government wielding its pimp hand to make an example out of one of its beeeches that stepped out of line. It all could have been handled so much better by simply wagging a finger at VW and hitting them with a stiff enough fine that they wouldn’t try it again.
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My point exactly.If that had happened to GM and they were treated the same, they’d be bankrupt ....again. And we can’t have that.
If VW workers in the US were UAW members, they’d have likely been treated better also.
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Chipping (with that described outcome) is not legal. It involves tampering with emission control equipment ... not legal. Never has been since the beginnings of the Clean Air Act. Doesn't matter VW or Cummins or anyone else.I remember shortly after it hit, I was talking to an Audi salesman. He said why can someone legally get their Cummins chipped to where it can block out the sun while rollin’ coal...
Just because some states do not smog diesels, does not make it legal.I remember shortly after it hit, I was talking to an Audi salesman. He said why can someone legally get their Cummins chipped to where it can block out the sun while rollin’ coal, but these extremely efficient cars must be pulled from the road.
Chipping a Cummins is not legal if you plan to drive it on the road. It's just much harder to enforce thousands of people buying "off road only" chip tunes than a single manufacturer, and even when enforcement happens the company often cannot afford to pay.
https://jalopnik.com/aftermarket-software-tuners-sct-and-bully-dog-forced-to-1829348318
The fine was limited because a bigger one would have killed the company. It stinks but it's where we are.
"Up to" is the key phrase here. They only did this under very certain conditions (under heavy load IIRC) and generally speaking not 40 times at all times. IIRC at normal idle and crusing speeds they were barely over the limit. This is a drop in the bucket when you look at it this way and the limited number of these cars on the road compared to others. Other than this one thing their emissions were exceptionally clean. Not a minor violation but they were fined very, very heavily for their transgression. Show me any other "off road use only" product company that came any where near getting punished this way, in the billions of dollars.These VW TDI's were putting out up to 40 times the legal emission limit. That is not a drop in the bucket, nor is it only a minor violation.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...al/vw-diesel-emissions-scandal-explained.htmlNo it wasn't 40 times higher than allowable emissions all the time, but it was very substantially higher (IIRC ~ 15 times for the Gen 1 cars)
There is a difference. The "dirty" off road product tuners were forthright when describing the purpose of their products. The tuners also didn't market their products as "clean", or for "on-road" use. Most important, their products were not sold with unethically obtained EPA and CARB approvals.\ Show me any other "off road use only" product company that came any where near getting punished this way, in the billions of dollars.
Also notice how the numbers dropped considerably from 2011 to 2012 models. I wonder if this same thing happened the following years as well.