Andyinchville1
Veteran Member
Hi All,
I recently added a scan gauge II before doing a 500+ mile trip for work to get a base line feel for what my water temps and IAT (intake air temps) are prior to doing some aero mods in the search for higher MPGs.
From my casual observations (outside temp upper 20's)...
My coolant temps varied from a low of 188 to a max of about 197 with the "norm" being about 190 (Since I most likely have a 190 thermostat).
Test conditions :
Speed set at 68 MPH for 65 and 70 mph speed limits ...then speed set at 55 for 2 lane roads (55 mph limits) and 60 MPH for 55 MPH roads NOT 2 lane....Slower speeds were done at speed limit....chosen speeds were for repeatability purposes....No hypermilling.... just set speeds).
Can't really "go slow" for added mpg's since work runs are timed and must be done on a schedule hence the set speeds.
Now for the mods....
For starters, I decided to block the upper grill, the lower grill, and the side vents (I think that is what they are called)....I did leave the "corner" section of the lower grill opening (passenger side) open for intercooler airflow / cooling.
I did leave the lower most center opening open tho for radiator airflow (the center opening on the black chin spoiler piece).
I used cardboard and blue painters tape for clean removals and will fashion better looking grill blocks (also removable should the need arise) if the tests prove positive...
The following night I ran the same route for work (AFTER aero modding) and these were my findings....
outside temps Upper 20's low 30's...
Coolant temps...seemed to hover about the same as before BUT I did note a high of about 207 degrees (THAT had me a little worried but admittedly maybe up the same hill before it could have been the same but I just didn't notice the temp before since I also had to pay at lease some attention to driving!
Anyways, water coolant temps didn't really didn't concern me too much BUT IAT's on the other hand DID change somewhat more drastically...
BEFORE partial blocking of the air intake to the intercooler, I roughly noted that under low boost conditions (say 2 to 3 lbs boost) the IAT was roughly 20 degrees higher than ambient....Moderate boost.....say 5 to 7 lbs boost
IAT was about 30 degrees higher than ambient....High temp that I saw was in the 90s...
After partial blocking of the intake to the intercooler....the temps seemed to be about 30 to 40 degrees higher than ambient at the LOW side with temps going into the triple digits sometimes on the high side !....
Partial blocking seemed to definitely affect engine IATs more than coolant temps.
With that my questions are :
1) Does injection pump timing vary with IATs ? If so (and I assume it does)
how much does say a 10 degree increase in IAT, affect fuel mileage
due to timing changes?...Ill assume increased IATs affect fuel mileage
in a bad way... (I didn't specifically ask about coolant temps because the temps really did not seem to change much if at all)
2) I have heard of "vented" fender skirts that allow air behind the intercooler to be vented into the wheelwell therefore allowing more cooling air to pass through the intercooler itself thus lowering IATs....
While the increased airflow, should lower IATs (and in theory may help better pump timing and fuel economy) does the increased airflow through the wheel wells help or hinder good aerodynamics more so than potential gains through better (i.e. lower) IAT's?
3) is there any way to log data in real time in a cost effective manner?...The reason I ask is because my looking at the gauges is sometimes tedious and my findings are often based on just what I see at the time and or can remember....real data that is computer logged for post trip evaluation would be best and more comprehensive.
OK....so now for the results...
My standard "work run" typically yielded fuel mileage in the 50 to low 51 MPG area....
The first tank AFTER aero modding (grill blocks) yielded 52.56 MPGS!
(OK only 1 tank so far but I'll be doing 2 more runs later this week....Hopefully the painters tape survives the bad weather tonight and I can try 2 more runs for mileage readings (I suppose I could duct tape over it to help but I'm cheap!....HA).
Future mods I'll try....Comments welcome and encouraged....
1) Air dam...Car is pretty low now and factory seems to have blocked off
most everything I can see hanging in the wind with the factory spoiler but nothing ventured nothing gained right? Also, has anybody tried any of the aero parts off ebay?....
I was looking at this one (shame it has the cut out in the middle....I would have preferred smooth....also I don't know if this is lower than the factory spoiler...the ebay one is just up front whereas the factory tucks under the car and may be just as low to the ground)...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FIT-FOR-99-04-VOLKSWAGEN-VW-JETTA-MK4-FRONT-BUMPER-LIP-URETHANE-TYPE-B-/262239436495?fits=Model%3AJetta&hash=item3d0eb03ecf:g:M-wAAOSwKtlWl0QM&vxp=mtr
2) Side skirts (maybe hinged even to flex up when high centering)...
Was thinking of welding some bolts on to the "lip" running the length of the car (the lip factory jacks jack from) and bolting on some plastic or rubber skirting....If I go to the ground I may put a hinge system on to allow the side skirt to ride up rather than wear away altho it will still wear over time)...
would side skirts be best mounted on the factory lip or would further outboard be better (like on the ebay link below.....too bad about the cut out tho...
I was eying these off eBay as well....http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-2004-V...c844d4b60ebe51a1b80e95&pid=100505&rk=1&rkt=1&
3) Trailer Tail (well I guess it should wagon tail but will model after tractor trailer "trailer tail").
4) Belly Pan (yes I put this last since it is probably the hardest for me since the car is low to the ground....If only I had a lift!).
5) Pizza Pans - I already did this on a set of steelies BUT I want to do it on my set of avus rims....lighter weight has to help right?!
Thanks in advance for any and all help / comments
Andrew
I recently added a scan gauge II before doing a 500+ mile trip for work to get a base line feel for what my water temps and IAT (intake air temps) are prior to doing some aero mods in the search for higher MPGs.
From my casual observations (outside temp upper 20's)...
My coolant temps varied from a low of 188 to a max of about 197 with the "norm" being about 190 (Since I most likely have a 190 thermostat).
Test conditions :
Speed set at 68 MPH for 65 and 70 mph speed limits ...then speed set at 55 for 2 lane roads (55 mph limits) and 60 MPH for 55 MPH roads NOT 2 lane....Slower speeds were done at speed limit....chosen speeds were for repeatability purposes....No hypermilling.... just set speeds).
Can't really "go slow" for added mpg's since work runs are timed and must be done on a schedule hence the set speeds.
Now for the mods....
For starters, I decided to block the upper grill, the lower grill, and the side vents (I think that is what they are called)....I did leave the "corner" section of the lower grill opening (passenger side) open for intercooler airflow / cooling.
I did leave the lower most center opening open tho for radiator airflow (the center opening on the black chin spoiler piece).
I used cardboard and blue painters tape for clean removals and will fashion better looking grill blocks (also removable should the need arise) if the tests prove positive...
The following night I ran the same route for work (AFTER aero modding) and these were my findings....
outside temps Upper 20's low 30's...
Coolant temps...seemed to hover about the same as before BUT I did note a high of about 207 degrees (THAT had me a little worried but admittedly maybe up the same hill before it could have been the same but I just didn't notice the temp before since I also had to pay at lease some attention to driving!
Anyways, water coolant temps didn't really didn't concern me too much BUT IAT's on the other hand DID change somewhat more drastically...
BEFORE partial blocking of the air intake to the intercooler, I roughly noted that under low boost conditions (say 2 to 3 lbs boost) the IAT was roughly 20 degrees higher than ambient....Moderate boost.....say 5 to 7 lbs boost
IAT was about 30 degrees higher than ambient....High temp that I saw was in the 90s...
After partial blocking of the intake to the intercooler....the temps seemed to be about 30 to 40 degrees higher than ambient at the LOW side with temps going into the triple digits sometimes on the high side !....
Partial blocking seemed to definitely affect engine IATs more than coolant temps.
With that my questions are :
1) Does injection pump timing vary with IATs ? If so (and I assume it does)
how much does say a 10 degree increase in IAT, affect fuel mileage
due to timing changes?...Ill assume increased IATs affect fuel mileage
in a bad way... (I didn't specifically ask about coolant temps because the temps really did not seem to change much if at all)
2) I have heard of "vented" fender skirts that allow air behind the intercooler to be vented into the wheelwell therefore allowing more cooling air to pass through the intercooler itself thus lowering IATs....
While the increased airflow, should lower IATs (and in theory may help better pump timing and fuel economy) does the increased airflow through the wheel wells help or hinder good aerodynamics more so than potential gains through better (i.e. lower) IAT's?
3) is there any way to log data in real time in a cost effective manner?...The reason I ask is because my looking at the gauges is sometimes tedious and my findings are often based on just what I see at the time and or can remember....real data that is computer logged for post trip evaluation would be best and more comprehensive.
OK....so now for the results...
My standard "work run" typically yielded fuel mileage in the 50 to low 51 MPG area....
The first tank AFTER aero modding (grill blocks) yielded 52.56 MPGS!
(OK only 1 tank so far but I'll be doing 2 more runs later this week....Hopefully the painters tape survives the bad weather tonight and I can try 2 more runs for mileage readings (I suppose I could duct tape over it to help but I'm cheap!....HA).
Future mods I'll try....Comments welcome and encouraged....
1) Air dam...Car is pretty low now and factory seems to have blocked off
most everything I can see hanging in the wind with the factory spoiler but nothing ventured nothing gained right? Also, has anybody tried any of the aero parts off ebay?....
I was looking at this one (shame it has the cut out in the middle....I would have preferred smooth....also I don't know if this is lower than the factory spoiler...the ebay one is just up front whereas the factory tucks under the car and may be just as low to the ground)...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FIT-FOR-99-04-VOLKSWAGEN-VW-JETTA-MK4-FRONT-BUMPER-LIP-URETHANE-TYPE-B-/262239436495?fits=Model%3AJetta&hash=item3d0eb03ecf:g:M-wAAOSwKtlWl0QM&vxp=mtr
2) Side skirts (maybe hinged even to flex up when high centering)...
Was thinking of welding some bolts on to the "lip" running the length of the car (the lip factory jacks jack from) and bolting on some plastic or rubber skirting....If I go to the ground I may put a hinge system on to allow the side skirt to ride up rather than wear away altho it will still wear over time)...
would side skirts be best mounted on the factory lip or would further outboard be better (like on the ebay link below.....too bad about the cut out tho...
I was eying these off eBay as well....http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-2004-V...c844d4b60ebe51a1b80e95&pid=100505&rk=1&rkt=1&
3) Trailer Tail (well I guess it should wagon tail but will model after tractor trailer "trailer tail").
4) Belly Pan (yes I put this last since it is probably the hardest for me since the car is low to the ground....If only I had a lift!).
5) Pizza Pans - I already did this on a set of steelies BUT I want to do it on my set of avus rims....lighter weight has to help right?!
Thanks in advance for any and all help / comments
Andrew
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