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Old July 7th, 2018, 15:11   #16
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One again thanks for all the helpful advice.

I had a busy day today. Got the car jacked up and on four 6 ton jack stands.

Did the oil change and replaced with a Mann filter and Mobile 1 ESP motor oil.

Did the fuel filter change and bled the air out using the Ross-Tech cable and the VCDS program. It worked very well. I packed around the filter housing with shop towels. Removing the filter from the cap is tricky. It splashed everywhere and on me! I think I’m going to use a fluid evacuator the next time to remove the diesel fuel before I try to remove the filter from the cap.

I check the brakes and rotated the tires. i’ve got about 3/16” + of pads on the back pads. Then @ 1/4”+ on the front pads.

I’m saving the best for last! I removed the air filter housing, battery, and battery tray to access the DSG filter housing. I removed the main plug at the bottom of the DSG housing. I had a new 6 quart round drain pan with measuring marks on the walls. The oil began gushing out. I had @ 4 quarts +!!!! Then I poured this into a 5 gallon bucket. I put it back underneath and then remove the plastic insert fill/measuring tube. Then I had another 4 quarts gushing out. I had about 8 1/2 to 9 quarts of fluid in my transmission!!!

I had a 40,000 mile Transmission Service done by my Volkswagen dealer! I called them and got the service manager on the phone. I asked him how much fluid should my transmission take during a routine service? He said about 4 1/2 to 5 quarts.

I told him how much fluid came out of my transmission! I told him I wanted to know how the hell did one of these morons who work in their service department put nearly 9 quarts of fluid in my transmission??? I told him I wanted to know how the hell did one of these morons who work in their service department put nearly 9 quarts of fluid in my transmission?

He said he would look into it and get back to me. I am going to stop by with the 5 gallon pail to show him just how much came out! I’m absolutely shocked and surprised that this did not damage my transmission!

This is another reason why I want to do my own service going forward!

I also changed the engine air filter in the cabin air filter. One of the plastic screws underneath the dash to access the cabin air filter was missing. The remaining plastic screw head was cracked.

The washers on the five screws for the fuel filter housing were missing. So obviously these monkeys in the dealership service department don’t exactly pay attention to detail!!!

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Old July 7th, 2018, 17:42   #17
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One again thanks for all the helpful advice.

I had a busy day today. Got the car jacked up and on four 6 ton jack stands.

Did the oil change and replaced with a Mann filter and Mobile 1 ESP motor oil.

Did the fuel filter change and bled the air out using the Ross-Tech cable and the VCDS program. It worked very well. I packed around the filter housing with shop towels. Removing the filter from the cap is tricky. It splashed everywhere and on me! Your kinda clumsy I think I’m going to use a fluid evacuator the next time to remove the diesel fuel before I try to remove the filter from the cap. Waste of money and time

I check the brakes and rotated the tires. i’ve got about 3/16” + of pads on the back pads. Then @ 1/4”+ on the front pads.

I’m saving the best for last! I removed the air filter housing, battery, and battery tray to access the DSG filter housing. I removed the main plug at the bottom of the DSG housing. I had a new 6 quart round drain pan with measuring marks on the walls. The oil began gushing out. I had @ 4 quarts +!!!! Then I poured this into a 5 gallon bucket. I put it back underneath and then remove the plastic insert fill/measuring tube. Then I had another 4 quarts gushing out. I had about 8 1/2 to 9 quarts of fluid in my transmission!!! Sounds like your dealer did not drain anything just added 4.5 liters I'm surprised it didn't come out the vent hole!

I had a 40,000-mile Transmission Service done by my Volkswagen dealer! I called them and got the service manager on the phone. Did I ask him how much fluid should my transmission take during a routine service? He said about 4 1/2 to 5 quarts.

I told him how much fluid came out of my transmission! I told him I wanted to know how the hell did one of these morons who work in their service department put nearly 9 quarts of fluid in my transmission??? I told him I wanted to know how the hell did one of these morons who work in their service department put nearly 9 quarts of fluid in my transmission?

He said he would look into it and get back to me. I am going to stop by with the 5 gallon pail to show him just how much came out! I’m absolutely shocked and surprised that this did not damage my transmission!

This is another reason why I want to do my own service going forward!

I also changed the engine air filter in the cabin air filter. One of the plastic screws underneath the dash to access the cabin air filter was missing. The remaining plastic screw head was cracked.

The washers on the five screws for the fuel filter housing were missing. So obviously these monkeys in the dealership service department don’t exactly pay attention to detail!!!

My thoughts in red. Also, I would ask for a full refund of the services rendered that you can prove were incorrect.

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Old July 7th, 2018, 18:38   #18
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Let’s not generalize about clumsy, especially about people that you don’t know .

The canister is full with diesel and the filter is tight on the cap. Maybe I’ll have better success and less mess the next time.
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Old July 7th, 2018, 18:54   #19
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Let’s not generalize about clumsy, especially about people that you don’t know .
Well, now you know what to expect. I can pull the filter out without spilling a drop. No evacuater needed.

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Old July 17th, 2018, 14:52   #20
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I am considering tackling the DSG service myself as well. I had the dealer do it on my last TDI, but it looks straight forward.

hangman mentions removing the battery. I have a post that continues to get fuzzy and I treat it with battery spray. Would really like to get in there and clean it well. But what does this do to the radio? Do you need the code to get your radio going again?

$50 for kit from idparts (tools and funnel)
$125 for oil
$27 for filter and o-ring/seal

Is this the filter and seal you speak of oilhammer?
https://www.idparts.com/dsg-transmis...51c-p-810.html
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Old July 17th, 2018, 16:06   #21
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PM Sent. Hope this helps. I had no radio issues from pulling the battery.
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Old July 19th, 2018, 18:48   #22
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This thread reminded me to do my DSG... I did it last weekend. I had free DSG oil and filter I bought with my diesel-gate $1000 appeasement money.

I top filled. I HATE taking out the battery and tray. I have a VW clip in battery box and still try and use the insulation blanket. It is a PIA to remove and install. Next time I will go with the bottom fill.

I drained 4.7 L. and I put in 4.8 L.... I did pull the plug and checked and took about 1/10th liter. I just did not trust myself. But the drain, measure and refill method is cleaner. Skipping the burp step is golden, if you trust the amount you drained is correct and you added the same amount. Taking that plug out to burp the excess oil out, getting oil all over your (gloved) hand, is messy PIA.

Has anyone notice if you start the job with a HOT DSG, by the time you get the new oil in and ready to burp oil out, RossTech cable hooked up, the oil is already at 45C. BTW the way it is summer and 90F in the garage. This is about 2 hours after putting car on jacks. The DSG and residual oil just stays hot enough to get the added oil hot. I have done this twice, where oil was already hot before starting engine. Dead of winter, cold DSG, cold oil, sure you will have to warm it up. Seems if you do this job with hot DSG, during warm months, measuring the temp is not needed?
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Old July 19th, 2018, 22:04   #23
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After your edit changing from 1 liter to 1/10th, my previous comment was deleted. Drive on. My Guru swears by 4.5 liters cold and he has done over 300 DSG fluid changes.

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Old July 20th, 2018, 05:18   #24
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I don't plan on being concerned with oil temp even tho I have Ross Tech. Plus, as you mention it will be a warm summer day and the car and oil will all be the same temp.

I bought all I needed (Thanks Michael) and will be performing this soon. Also, a quick shout-out to Motivx tools as they have a nice set of filter sockets, among a few other tools. A while ago I ordered their ~70mm socket for the oil filter realizing that I should actually target the 32mm hex on top of the canister and they sent me the 32mm, just to verify it was what I needed before we discussed money. After I confirmed, all they asked for is for me to return the larger one. They pd shipping twice and displayed great customer service! I just ordered their 24mm socket and funnel kit that fastens to the oil spout, so no more balancing act to fill oil! They have an Amazon store too.
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Old July 20th, 2018, 11:40   #25
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I top filled. I HATE taking out the battery and tray. I have a VW clip in battery box and still try and use the insulation blanket. It is a PIA to remove and install. Next time I will go with the bottom fill.

You still gotta change the filter, unless that's beneath your maintenance routine.
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I bought all I needed (Thanks Michael)

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Old July 23rd, 2018, 17:12   #27
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Has anyone notice if you start the job with a HOT DSG, by the time you get the new oil in and ready to burp oil out, RossTech cable hooked up, the oil is already at 45C. BTW the way it is summer and 90F in the garage. This is about 2 hours after putting car on jacks. The DSG and residual oil just stays hot enough to get the added oil hot. I have done this twice, where oil was already hot before starting engine. Dead of winter, cold DSG, cold oil, sure you will have to warm it up. Seems if you do this job with hot DSG, during warm months, measuring the temp is not needed?
I have noticed this on two of my DSG services. One was in April and one in September and the fluid was already warm enough to drain the excess and install the drain plug once I turned the car on, monitoring with VCDS. This past December I did my third service and I only had to idle a minute or so before I drained the excess. I fill with 5.5 liters so I get a lot of purge (my prerogative, lol).
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One again thanks for all the helpful advice.
I had a 40,000 mile Transmission Service done by my Volkswagen dealer! I called them and got the service manager on the phone. I asked him how much fluid should my transmission take during a routine service? He said about 4 1/2 to 5 quarts.

I told him how much fluid came out of my transmission! I told him I wanted to know how the hell did one of these morons who work in their service department put nearly 9 quarts of fluid in my transmission??? I told him I wanted to know how the hell did one of these morons who work in their service department put nearly 9 quarts of fluid in my transmission?

He said he would look into it and get back to me. I am going to stop by with the 5 gallon pail to show him just how much came out! Iím absolutely shocked and surprised that this did not damage my transmission!

How did it go when you brought in the bucket of fluid?
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I fill with 5.5 liters so I get a lot of purge (my prerogative, lol).
Just a waste of 1 liter of expensive fluid, lol
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