Thanks Howard, That sure sounds right too. That manual 5 speed with the 1.9 diesel is like a mountain goat on steep hills or mountains. I couldn't beleive the torque that 98 TDI I had, exhibited in the smokies. The diesel also was a big help holding us back going down the mountains. I also found if you want a little more resistence going down the mountains, turning the air cond. on helps more than you would think. I Hardly used the brakes, but other cars I passed along side the road sure did, smoke was rolling out of a couple.