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TDI Power Enhancements Discussions about increasing the power of your TDI engine. i.e. chips, injectors, powerboxes, clutches, etc. Handling, suspensions, wheels, type discussion should be put into the "Upgrades (non TDI Engine related)" forum. Non TDI vehicle related postings will be moved or removed. Please note the Performance Disclaimer.

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Old July 20th, 2012, 20:17   #1
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Cool APR Tuning now offering a tune for 2.0 CR TDIs!

http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_up...tdi_140hp.html
And I couldn't be happier. Had APR tune on my gasser Audi A4 before my roommate totaled it and I loved everything about it. Can't wait until next payday now!
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Old July 20th, 2012, 20:25   #2
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Old July 20th, 2012, 20:28   #3
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I'm jealous - 3rd year in a row I'm gonna miss Waterfest! Bah. Let me (us) know what you think once you get it!
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Old July 20th, 2012, 21:00   #4
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Will have it by the end of the month!
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Old July 21st, 2012, 08:05   #5
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Default APR releases 2.0 CR TDI software...170 HP and 297 lb-ft!!

http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_up...tdi_140hp.html
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Old July 21st, 2012, 08:10   #6
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Note that the car made 153 HP stock on the same dyno, almost 10% more than the rated crank HP and significantly greater than WHP should be, almost 20% compared to my stock Golf dyno. Looked at another way, they're getting a 12-15 HP gain. And the torque curve looks pretty ragged, like they're having trouble regulating boost and fueling. Looks like sensors are taking over and dialing things back.

Compare this to a stock dyno of my Golf on a "heartbreak" Dyno Dynamics dyno.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 08:13   #7
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I'm guessing your dyno graph has smoothing turned on so it evens out the peaks and valleys. APR is a legit company and I trust that they wouldn't release this software if it didn't live up to their name.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 09:06   #8
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No smoothing that I'm aware of. And no correction except for weather.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 09:50   #9
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It's good that APR has finally released their tune for our cars. APR and Revo are the only two companies (that I know of) that give you the option of switching back and forth between stock and tuned maps. However, APR's method of switching does not require you to purchase a separate OBDII switching device (usually at extra cost). This is a good thing.

That said: the actual numbers and graphs do not look significantly different from the numbers and graphs in CR140s with other tuner's stage one tunes. Malone, Rocketchip, Revo, Neuspeed, etc. all post numbers and graphs that are very similar. The differences in power and torque are so much alike that the differences could easily be attributed to simply different dynos.

As I have stated before, often the choice of tuner has more to do with who has a dealer conveniently near you. Most people need their cars everyday, so they can't afford to ship off their ECU to the tuner and be car-less until it is shipped back. I am very glad APR has finally released this just because it greatly increases the number of dealers in the US that can tune our cars. Now, many more cities will have a convenient tuner.

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Old July 21st, 2012, 10:20   #10
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Click on the link above (quoted from first post, you can scroll up and click there if you like) and read the ad carefully.

They quote VW at 140 HP but measure the stock HP on their own dyno at 153. They then measure the tuned HP at 170, a gain of 17 HP.

BUT THEY ADVERTISE A GAIN OF 27 HP, not 17.

They compare VWs (stock) rating to their measured (tuned) figure, when they should compare their (stock) measured to their (tuned) measured.

It is all there in black and white, they are not lying.... but they lead you to JUMP TO THE WRONG CONCLUSION.

This is not lying... it is deceptive advertising and I'll get flamed for pointing out the obvious.

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Old July 21st, 2012, 10:27   #11
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... and I'll get flamed for pointing out the obvious.
It wouldn't be the first time Bill!
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Old July 21st, 2012, 10:50   #12
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complete edit:

double checked mine, from vid, put down 158whp/268wtq(on DynoDynamics(which i think its more of a heart breaker)) on second run. only got little more on third of 160/270.
so the wheel hp/tq APR posted on their dyno graph is pretty damn good for a stage 1 tune with dpf/egr still in place. if they are making 158whp/285wtq thats pretty good for having it all still stock.

yes kinda messy with saying VW stock HP and then their stock HP gains but thats advertising to its max. sounds like i need a new stage 2 tune, or i need to get a tubro kit lol.
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Old July 21st, 2012, 11:12   #13
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***!!! how does apr tune a engine to act so much different then other CR dyno sheets i seen of the same engines.. i dont understand whats with the lagg and all how they have such horrible control of the tune...

The dyno on my car was done at 5700 ft above sea lvl so i am not getting the advantage of some people that are at sea lvl on power.. but i think malones tunes are supurb.. I cant find my other dyno sheets but here is one of my car with stage 2 malone tune with STOCK EXHUAST!!!! 164.7whp/321.1wtq and i never hit EGT limit on all 3 runs that day.
Video: stage 2 dyno stock exhuast
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131whp/220wtq
Malone Stage 2 w/aggresive fueling and raised EGT limit to 1650
164.7whp/321.1wtq +33.7whp, +101.1wtq
Malone Stage 2 * w/straight pipe exhuast
181whp/347wtq +50whp, +127wtq


I am going to look for my other dyno sheets so you can see my comparison but my car put down completely stock before malone tuning 131whp and 220wtq on the exact same dyno within a week before the malone tuning, then after i put straight pipe exhuast on the car and cleaned the turbine vanes out because it was caked up from when it was STOCK i put down 181whp and 347wtq
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Old July 21st, 2012, 11:17   #14
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APR is 5 minutes from my house. EXCELLENT place and employees ! ! !
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