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VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) Discussion area for the 2012+ Passat TDI (North American and rest of world versions versions). The North American model was previously codenamed NMS (New Midsize Sedan) and the version the rest of the world gets is sometimes referred to as B7.

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Old October 17th, 2018, 20:52   #1
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Well everyone, my beloved NMS got totaled today- all that work keeping the oil changes to the mile perfect, dsg oil fresh, fuel filters....fresh wax, even waxed behind the license plate....you get it right? sigh... the good news is no kids in the car, just the wife and the NMS is a very strong car that withstood getting hit head on by a Jeep patriot going 50mph at 6pm without headlights on- wife just didn't see them when she made a left turn in front of them sent the car in a backwards spin landing 50 yards away-The only injuries to the wife is a really bad seatbelt rash and right wrist, she was turning left when the airbag sent her hand that was at the top of the wheel threw the windshield! Should I buy it back? nothing salvageable firewall forward. Hit so hard the spare tire broke free and came up and threw the rear mat and bent the rear seat forward!

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Old October 17th, 2018, 22:05   #2
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Glad to hear that no one was hurt. Will you get another Passat?


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Old October 18th, 2018, 05:34   #3
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Oh man biggest fear right there with our '15 Passat that I tell the wife that she should pay off the lease, but I guess in this case it wouldn't be that bad, no way in heck will insurance pay that much for it. Report back what insurance pays it out.

Did the police report indicate who was at fault? Turning left on to on coming traffic is a tough one to fight, maybe they'll get the other guy for not having headlights on.

What was the status of the EPA fix? Did you get your blood money from VWoA yet?

BTW save that engine cover and the wheels!
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Old October 18th, 2018, 07:59   #4
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Seems like the VWs give good protection in collisions I've both experienced and heard about. I am glad to hear that your wife is okay. Keep an eye on her since a lot of injuries don't manifest for a couple of days

I wouldn't salvage it myself. Too much trouble especially with the engine destroyed.

I see a lot of people driving around without headlights in rain storms, fog, twilight, etc when they should turn them on. I am a believer in DRLs to help prevent this. Just got back from Los Angeles. I saw six cars driving around, AT NIGHT without lights on. And I only drove one night for about an hour! I don't get it?

Meanwhile, time to start hunting for another tdi.

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Old October 18th, 2018, 10:18   #5
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Wow!!!! Im glad your wife is ok but like the other poster here said, keep a eye on her for next few days.....

How do I know? My girlfriend and I got rear ended a month and a week apart. Nope not kidding.

Thank you for sharing your video of the car, that made us feel safer about our 2015 Passat. We both got rear ended a month apart.

My girlfriend got it in 2017 Ford Exploder got rear ended on Feb 2018 and a month and a week later, on April 6th 2018 I got rear ended in my old 2011 JSW TDI with candy white with cornsilk interior (buyback and RIP with nearly 300k miles) and now I am driving an 2014 JSW TDI candy white with cornsilk interior that has 27k miles.


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Old October 18th, 2018, 10:33   #6
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To jrm - Dang - that sucks! Very glad to hear your wife came out of it with minor injuries but it may take a couple of days for other pains/aches to show up.

I doubt a Honda would have protected her as well as a VW. Know you favor Honda for reliability and simplicity as you've brought it up more than once in other posts here. Guess you will move on to another brand if you don't pick up a 2015 TDI?

I've noticed that more myself in the last year or two that more drivers are out there at dawn, dusk and night without headlights on. If they're going the opposite direction I flash my high beams at them and most get the message as they then turn on their headlights. Figures the Patriot is a dark color too - were there shadows helping "hide" the Patriot where the accident took place?
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Old October 18th, 2018, 22:26   #7
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2 observations-

Metal is metal. People are the important variable in the equation. I'm glad no one was hurt.



THIS IS THE REASON I DRIVE GERMAN ENGINEERED CARS.



What is amazing is The way the passenger compartment/doors remained fully functional. The doors opened and closed with no issues. This says a lot in an impact of that force. Imagine having the doors fused shut from a frontal impact. Or- if the A-pillar bent inward, reducing the among of survivable space. German cars adhere to the strictest crash testing in the world.



In case you didnt know- the Passat (All VW family products) airbags already "knew" how full to get based on your wife's weight and seat position in relation to the steering wheel within 3-5 seconds of starting the car. Sensors in the seat, and the seatbelt gave weight, position, and belted/non-belted status. Most women sit closer and higher than men do, but the airbag knows when to deploy in a "Stage 1" deployment (lighter and less full) for closer/lighter persons, or a "Stage 2" deployment for those who are heavier, further back, or unbelted- those who need additional oppositional force to stop them before impacting the wheel or windshield.



The front of the car did exactly what it should- It fell apart. In a controlled fashion. The frontal crumple zone seems to have worked as designed and as it crumpled past 2 inches, pieces started breaking off. After 4 inches, the bolts holding the engine sheered off and allowed the engine to drop straight down as opposed to holding it in place and allowing it to be pushed back into the passenger compartment. Although it crunched in quite a bit, doing so absorbed the energy of the impact.

The rear seat is made of a steel plate. It's not cardboard like so many other cars. A non-secured item in the trunk won't punch through the rear seat. A cardboard backed seat will deform severely. (Folks-- go outside tomorrow and fold your rear seat down. Make a fist and hammer it pretty hard with the flat side of your fist. It's steel).

What also happened in the 4/100's of a second after impact was the seat belt reel rotated backwards due to metal ball-bearings being shot into the belt reel, thus rolling backwards (tightening) 2 full rotations and retracted the belt about 5-6 inches, further tightening the seatbelt and keeping your wife from moving forward.

(My VW Sales Training taught me a lot of stuff that I hardly ever get to share anymore now that I'm out of the sales game so thanks for indulging me in this post).



The slight upslope in the seat kept her from "Submarine-ing" under the lap belt and sliding forward.



After the car came to rest, the doors unlocked, the ignition turned off, the in-tank fuel pump shut off fuel delivery to the rest of the car. The hazard lights turned on as well.



To answer your airbag concern in the side-curtain airbags. Unlike front airbags, which are meant to "meet" the driver halfway and reduce the amount of distance traveled, The side curtain airbags drop straight down, and cover the window and B Pillar, and don't extend outward toward the passengers, so your kids would have been safe from side-airbag deployment. Also, their forward momentum would have carried them more forward and not to the side unless there was a dedicated side impact, in which case the airbag would have kept a head on window impact from happening.



The spare tire??? Wasn't it secured with the spinning plastic "Bolt" that holds it down? That should have kept it from popping out of the spare tire well. I'm curious as to why it popped out in the first place.



Once again- I'm glad she's okay. Cars can be replaced.
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Old October 18th, 2018, 23:15   #8
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thanks guys, lots of great info here- yes the jeep was in a shadow with bright sunsetting sunshine behind it. That driver is still in the hospital… HIPA limits info, but prayers needed for her! I wouldn't recommend USAA guys, $10K is all they are offering me for my car, fresh wax, fresh DSG oil, new tires ect. Not cool- the closest car in good condition is a 2014 with stained carpet and stained headliner for $14K or a really nice 2015 SEL for 18K but im not prepared to be upside down after paying $28k for this car only to pay another 8K Pulled my old salvage title civic out from behind the shop, going to let the dust settle before putting any more cash out. We Have had quite the year: January- civic T boned by a uninsured driver and totaled, I bought it back for $100 bucks and stuffed a new axle and door onto it to make it drivable. May- Passat hit and totaled by a hit and run driver in my work parking lot, rear ended so hard it pushed it up and over a 2' high concrete wall. I chipped in 2k to not total it and get it fixed. August- wife bumped a parked car after our Hybrid highlanders brakes power assist failed during low speed driving (known issue on the highlander hybrid- video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn_xs6k8_H4&t=34s ) and now this, deep breath with insurance!
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Old October 18th, 2018, 23:21   #9
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Can you find some 13's for sale to show USAA that they are way off?
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Old October 18th, 2018, 23:30   #10
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KBB.com is a good source for values. (2013 SE Model 100k miles $8250-10,400)


FWIW- Here are a few that may be a good replacement:
Note: I am not affliliated with this car lot in any fashion. I have purchased a vehicle from them. And found that they are a good source for low mileage TDI's.

https://www.donohooauto.com/searchus...=Diesel%20Fuel

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Old October 19th, 2018, 06:45   #11
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Don't take the check from them until you are happy with the offer. It may take time on your end to prove your case, but I bet you can get them to come up on that offer.
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Old October 19th, 2018, 07:38   #12
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Sorry to hear about this.

With all the automated systems in cars, I think the industry is dropping the ball on auto headlights. They should be standard equipment. Since most/all cars have illuminated gauges at all times, it's too easy to think your lights are on when they're not.

Sorry to hear about USAA lowballing you. I've heard similar stories from others. Maybe, just maybe, it's not the company, but the agent you're dealing with. There is probably plenty of negotiating room, if you're lucky enough to connect with an experienced, savvy adjuster that knows how to interpret the numbers in your favor, which is being fair to you, the conscientious customer who maintains his vehicles at a high level.

Good luck.
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Old October 19th, 2018, 09:24   #13
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I thought it was you that posted the parking lot strike, but thought, nah can't be the same guy.

My advice, get in the Civic and buy a few Mega Millions tickets. With your luck this year, you're bound to win!

Thanks for the video. I showed it to my wife, and now she likes me driving the Passat even more.
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Old October 19th, 2018, 13:00   #14
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Same here, showed my girlfriend and she is now happy she has 2015 Passat I gave to her to take over the payments and I got 2014 JSW. We recently got rid of 2017 Ford Explorer due to carbon monoxide issues ongoing.


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Don't take the check from them until you are happy with the offer. It may take time on your end to prove your case, but I bet you can get them to come up on that offer.
I would also recommend gently working up the chain of command at USAA. It has always worked for me (in other businesses), although remaining calm while negotiating with someone who is trained to be inflexible isn't easy!
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